427 BB front pad stamp if it's the real deal

[Patrick B.]

Re: Need help on birthday date and Stamp pad engine date

Patrick, cast block is 3904351 , 427bb 435 i don,t have Cast block date, birthday is 103640 Nov.12/ 66 pad stamps is T0316JE which is Mar.16/ 66 or 67 that what where i,am stuck at is it 66 or 67 on the pad so what happan if the block cast date is in 66, appreciate any feed back

3904351 blocks were not cast before June 1966, and 435hp JE stamped engines were not assembled and stamped before about August 1966. The T0316JE stamping on this block is a restamp and who knows what relation that date has to the casting date. There is no possible way that this is the original block for this car. Given that the restamp date is a foolish fake for the car serial number, I would seriously doubt that the car was originally a 427. At the very best, this car is a big block car with a block that is not useable for a restoration engine. But I would need some very convincing information to believe it started out as a real 427/435. It is most likely a fake 427 car that gained 100 cubic inches while being restored by someone who did not understand or care about manufacturing dates. As some members here say "Run, Forest run."

[Steve B.]

Re: 427 BB front pad stamp if it's the real deal

427 BB front stamp pad if it's the real deal , looks good too me

Danny, I mean this in the most sincere and respectful way when I say this. You need to enlist the services of an expert in 67s before you buy a car.

[Michael W.]

Re: Need help on birthday date and Stamp pad engine date

If it is a 435hp JE coded 427, it would not have been manufactured in the 66 model year regardless of the block casting date.

You're right of course, thanks.

[Guest]

Re: 427 BB front pad stamp if it's the real deal

Yes i understand Steve i,am just exploring the different stamp pad that come online and there passing there 67 427 BB as the real deal which are not, i understand a good stamp when i see one and the correct dates what should be there , I,am just trying to get NCRS members for there opinion,

[Dan A.]

Re: engine stamp, real

Head is not right, the plug is always there, even on known "restoration" engines.

Michael to be clear the picture you have posted is the '67 435 restoration engine you owned a few years ago correct?

[Guest]

Re: Need help on birthday date and Stamp pad engine date

Thank you Patrick for your input , very interesting on those build dates

[Guest]

Re: Need help on birthday date and Stamp pad engine date

Hi Patrick , so the car birthday 03640 is Nov12-66 and the pad date is T0316JE March 16-67 block cast is 3904351 i just got the block cast date B117 Feb.11-67 so the problem here is the the car birthday is 5 month back then the engine was build So it should only be a month or so different instead of 5 months like were seeing here,

[Joe R.]

Re: Need help on birthday date and Stamp pad engine date

Danny,

The most knowledgeable person in the NCRS has given you his opinion and this motor is not original to this 1967 Corvette.
Take it to the BANK!
Run Danny Run!

JR

[Michael J.]

Re: Need help on birthday date and Stamp pad engine date

Hi Patrick , so the car birthday 03640 is Nov12-66 and the pad date is T0316JE March 16-67 block cast is 3904351 i just got the block cast date B117 Feb.11-67 so the problem here is the the car birthday is 5 month back then the engine was build So it should only be a month or so different instead of 5 months like were seeing here,

The bottom line is that a car built Nov. 1966 could NOT have left the St. Louis factory with an engine that was cast in Feb. 1967 and assembled March '67. That is impossible. The length of time in this case is irrelevant.

[Guest]

Re: Need help on birthday date and Stamp pad engine date

just making sure and doing my homework here , that why i,am asking thanks again guys

[Darryl D.]

Re: Need help on birthday date and Stamp pad engine date

I am sure I will get ripped for saying this but here goes.

You will never get a definite, straight answer for the "boys club" at NCRS about this subject. They expect everyone to take THEIR word for what is real and what is fake. They feel they are the guardians of the hobby in this respect. I have mixed feeling about all of this since the surface intent sound like it is the right thing to do as it is very difficult to determine an authentic high dollar car from one made from a base engine car. The hobby is full of restamped casting number altered engines, fake trim tags, build sheets and other fake documentation. The "boys club" believes that by keeping the telltale things to determine a REAL one in the inter circle they are protecting the hobby. However, this power can be corrupted as always because there is a lot of money in it. So WHO do you really trust in any individual case without knowing who is in bed with who? I saw all of this handwriting on the wall back in the late 70 with a few involved in NCRS and ended my membership until returning recently.
There are people out there that know EVERYTHING to do and how to do it to pass off a fake/made car as a high dollar car big block or fuel car. The only thing you can depend on is iron clad back to day one from an original owner and or dealer with the paperwork. This does not guarantee that the born in the car engine is still there even if it appears that way. Things happen in 50 years to cars that were bought to be beat on. Original owners are old and dying off every day. This is why the cars that SUPPOSEDLY have the iron clad docs and born in drive train command the big dollars. Most buyers at the large auctions buy on emotion, appearance and what they want. If it APPEARS to be a real matching numbers car they are satisfied and seldom get involved with organizations like this because they could care less about the minut items of these cars. I rejoined NCRS because I believe the majority of the group are good people with the hobbies best interest at heart and there is a lot of good info to be found here AS LONG AS YOU DON'T ASK FOR THE SECRET SCROLLS.

[Jack M.]

Re: Need help on birthday date and Stamp pad engine date

I am sure I will get ripped for saying this but here goes.

Excellent prediction, Nostradamus. Did you wake up, in the middle of the night, on the wrong side of the bed pan? Unfortunately, your analysis of the situation is completely wrong... and appears to be further skewed by some unknown intestinal blockage.

MANY people have answered the questions posted by Danny with concise knowledge, and true kindness. What have YOU added to the conversation, besides your utter contempt for the NCRS? In all my years, I've NEVER experienced a member holding secrets close to their vest... in fact, it has been quite the opposite. People are continually willing to share in the proper context, at the right time... that's what makes membership so worthwhile. Be it books, seminars, judging camps, Restorer articles, the TDB, private messages, email, etc... the knowledge has always been shared. If you are as well informed as you portray, why not just give the answer you feel is missing?

[Ronald R.]

Re: Need help on birthday date and Stamp pad engine date


Most of these opinions are based on a normal correct pad stamping. There may be some oddities and wear from buffing. sand blasting etc from the machine shop before all this number stuff was in style. The attached are of a car I bought years ago. When I bought the car it was sold as NOM. It was in fact the original motor but had a digit corrected. When I did the frame off I found all the components had been corrected. Broach marks are another point of debate. If the broach marks are worn should you try to reproduce an original? I don't think so if you loose point for lack of fresh marks on a 50 year old car "so be it". just my TCW