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  • Bob L.
    Expired
    • September 16, 2016
    • 9

    70 350 Cracked head

    Just found a crack in head it starts about 3/4" below the value cover bolt hole closest to the firewall and goes forward about 3" can this be repaired?
  • Joe L.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • January 31, 1988
    • 43193

    #2
    Re: 70 350 Cracked head

    Originally posted by Bob Luttman (62814)
    Just found a crack in head it starts about 3/4" below the value cover bolt hole closest to the firewall and goes forward about 3" can this be repaired?

    Bob------


    Usually, such a crack can be repaired. However, the only repair methodology I recommend is "stitching" with special, overlapping tapered pins. You'll need to find someone in your area that can do this type of repair. However, it can be costly because it's very labor intensive. Sometimes, it can be less expensive just to find a good used head.
    In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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    • Don L.
      Extremely Frequent Poster
      • August 31, 2005
      • 1005

      #3
      Re: 70 350 Cracked head

      Bob, perhaps if you posted the pics that you showed me, it might help to better communicate the magnitude of the challenge you have.

      The crack runs laterally, approx 3/4" below the rocker cover land, on the outboard side, between cylinders 6 & 8. What could cause this?

      BTW, Bob's got a nice '70 L46 red/red convertible.
      Don Lowe
      NCRS #44382
      Carolinas Chapter

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      • Bob L.
        Expired
        • September 16, 2016
        • 9

        #4
        Re: 70 350 Cracked head



        These are the pictures that I sent to Don. I'm interested in finding a new head.
        Attached Files

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        • Bob L.
          Expired
          • September 16, 2016
          • 9

          #5
          Re: 70 350 Cracked head

          The casting number of the head I'm looking for is 3927186 350/350 L46.

          Thanks for your help

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          • Patrick H.
            Beyond Control Poster
            • November 30, 1989
            • 11609

            #6
            Re: 70 350 Cracked head

            Ebay, Driveline, swap meets - those may be your best bet.

            I had a similar crack with my 1971, and installed a different-numbered-but-similarly-configured head on the engine so I could keep driving it. The head is still on the car, and the replacement correctly dated unit is waiting until I someday have to work on the engine again.

            Patrick
            Vice-Chairman (West), Michigan Chapter NCRS
            71 "deer modified" coupe
            72 5-Star Bowtie / Duntov coupe. https://www.flickr.com/photos/124695...57649252735124
            2008 coupe
            Available stickers: Engine suffix code, exhaust tips & mufflers, shocks, AIR diverter valve broadcast code.

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            • Edward J.
              Extremely Frequent Poster
              • September 15, 2008
              • 6940

              #7
              Re: 70 350 Cracked head

              Bob, its hard to make anything out in the pic. I myself have never seen a head crack at this point, (being a auto mechanic for 40 years and a former GM tech). what is the problem with the crack, leaking oil? if this was only picked up for reason you saw the crack and no issues I would be reluctant to repair. Casting can sometimes fool the best of us as being a something to be concerned with, this is just my point of view, if there was a coolant passage near by then it may cause a problem. my advice if you want someone to give you a better opinion then talk with a veteran machinist. If the cylinder head has never been removed than its likely been there sine day one.
              New England chapter member, 63 Convert. 327/340- Chapter/Regional/national Top Flight, 72 coupe- chapter and regional Top Flight.

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              • Patrick H.
                Beyond Control Poster
                • November 30, 1989
                • 11609

                #8
                Re: 70 350 Cracked head

                Ed, if you look on the outer surface of the head I think you'll see where the crack goes through and the orange paint is missing. There is evidence of a leak there.
                Vice-Chairman (West), Michigan Chapter NCRS
                71 "deer modified" coupe
                72 5-Star Bowtie / Duntov coupe. https://www.flickr.com/photos/124695...57649252735124
                2008 coupe
                Available stickers: Engine suffix code, exhaust tips & mufflers, shocks, AIR diverter valve broadcast code.

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                • Edward J.
                  Extremely Frequent Poster
                  • September 15, 2008
                  • 6940

                  #9
                  Re: 70 350 Cracked head

                  Pat, I see some oil outside, I see the screwdriver pointing inside. this just lead me to believe it was inside. Are we sure its cracked outside on the bolt hole?
                  New England chapter member, 63 Convert. 327/340- Chapter/Regional/national Top Flight, 72 coupe- chapter and regional Top Flight.

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                  • Mark E.
                    Extremely Frequent Poster
                    • March 31, 1993
                    • 4498

                    #10
                    Re: 70 350 Cracked head

                    Is it leaking?

                    Is it possible the oil on the outside is from a leaking VC gasket? And is the black stuff gasket sealer?

                    If there is a surface defect, is it a crack or a casting flaw?

                    If it is a crack, is it an issue (e.g. leaking, getting bigger)?
                    Mark Edmondson
                    Dallas, Texas
                    Texas Chapter

                    1970 Coupe, Donnybrooke Green, Light Saddle LS5 M20 A31 C60 G81 N37 N40 UA6 U79
                    1993 Coupe, 40th Anniversary, 6-speed, PEG 1, FX3, CD, Bronze Top

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                    • Bob L.
                      Expired
                      • September 16, 2016
                      • 9

                      #11
                      Re: 70 350 Cracked head

                      Mark
                      It does leak on the out side just below the bolt whole,today I cleaned the inside right and left of the tip of the screw driver and no visual crack there.

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                      • Bob L.
                        Expired
                        • September 16, 2016
                        • 9

                        #12
                        Re: 70 350 Cracked head

                        Mark
                        It does leak on the out side just below the bolt whole,today I cleaned the inside right and left of the tip of the screw driver and no visual crack there.

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                        • Michael B.
                          Very Frequent User
                          • June 18, 2007
                          • 400

                          #13
                          Re: 70 350 Cracked head

                          I have seen cracks in that area because of Winter freeze without antifreeze, but a crack in that area is likely to leak coolant and not oil.

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                          • Bob L.
                            Expired
                            • September 16, 2016
                            • 9

                            #14
                            Re: 70 350 Cracked head

                            Michael
                            It was antifreeze that leaked and probably a freeze didn't want to put a welded head back on I was able to find a brand new head dated F 22 69 never been on a car the guy bought it brand new in 69 had it ever since and only lived 9 miles up the road.

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                            • Joe L.
                              Beyond Control Poster
                              • January 31, 1988
                              • 43193

                              #15
                              Re: 70 350 Cracked head

                              Originally posted by Bob Luttman (62814)
                              Michael
                              It was antifreeze that leaked and probably a freeze didn't want to put a welded head back on I was able to find a brand new head dated F 22 69 never been on a car the guy bought it brand new in 69 had it ever since and only lived 9 miles up the road.

                              Bob------


                              I never recommend welding to repair a cylinder head or block. If a cylinder head or block cannot be repaired using pinning, the best plan is to scrap it.
                              In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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