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  • Richard G.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • July 31, 1984
    • 1715

    Struts (Assembly of new style bushing with outer steel shells).

    I love pictures and I haven't found any good ones so I will try.

    First of all I am using orignal struts with all the old bushings material removed. I understand as built, in 63 and other years, the rubber bushing was bonded to the struts. New replacement from GM have a outer shell mad of steel and are pressed in. I did measure the bore of my strut rods and the outer shell of a Group 5.417 Part #3775762 bushing. In my case the hole in the strut was .015 smaller than the Outside Diameter (OD) of the bushing. I understand why you need a press with this much interference fit.

    Theory:
    I understand the outer shell is stationary in relation to the strut and the serrated inner race is made to grasp the steel of the bearing housing on the lower outboard end. So the inner race is stationary with the wheel bearing housing lower clamp. The all of the effective movement take place inside the rubber in the insert. To keep from pre-loading the rubber in the insert the clamping bolts are not tightened till the car's weight is on the wheels.

    The lower and outboard side of the strut fits into the shock mount and the ID of the busing and the OD of the shock mount are the same size. No washers are used here.

    The upper and board side of the strut fits into the mount attached to the differential. The ID of the busing and the OD of the shock mounting bolts are not the same size. Washers that fit the bolt are used on both sides of the bushing..
    below is the parts in assembled order:


    The washers fit the adjuster bolt. The cant be installed on the lower ,outboard, side because the bolt is larger than the hole in the washers and there is no room for the extra width.
    One can see the discrepancy in the size of the upper bolt and the bushing below;

    Adding the washers takes up the extra space between the two side of the upper mount. If they are left out the sides of the mount would collapse in till they contacted the bushing inner race, at the serrated end of the bushing.

    It is not easy to figure out why the spacers/washers were used by GM in the first place. The bolt could have been the same size as the shock mounted side and their would have been no need for the washers. Typically the hardens inner shaft uses the serrated ends to retain the bushing to the shaft it is installed into. It seems to me the washers would have a tendency to slip in service if this happens you would have steel on steel wear and noise.
    The washers have to be so the serrated ends didn't take a set in the top adjuster. This way the adjusting bolts can be rotated, in small increments, and avoid falling into the old matching holes set into the bracket side. Still it does not adequately explain the two different diameters, the bushing ID and the upper adjusting bolts OD.

    A picture of the busing being pushed into the bracket for assembly is show below;


    I am confident this is correctly assembled. Some items, like this, don't make complete scene. Might help if I had an engineering prospective . However adjusters function well and I am good with that.
    Feedback appreciated.
    Rick
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    Last edited by Richard G.; April 9, 2017, 02:24 AM.
  • Paul D.
    Very Frequent User
    • September 30, 1996
    • 491

    #2
    Re: Struts (Assembly of new style bushing with outer steel shells).

    Rick, after looking up this assembly in a old GM parts book, it appears that originally flat washers were not used on the inboard side with the cam bolts. My book calls for "caps", part # 348390, which are probably long discontinued. Hard for me to describe, but they appear to have a small sleeve made to the washer that would fit inside of the bushing and take up the space around the cam bolt. Hopefully others with greater skills at posting photos will chime in and hopefully Joe L will confirm if # is discontinued or replaced. May be available in the aftermarket. Chip.

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    • Alan D.
      Extremely Frequent Poster
      • December 31, 2004
      • 2025

      #3
      Re: Struts (Assembly of new style bushing with outer steel shells).

      Rich,
      First assume you are doing your 63, since differences exist in other years. First shows the two size end caps, left is for your 63-74, 3791519, while the larger for 1975-82, 348390, and service replacements. Next is just a short of all parts which you talked about and the last is a typical head style for 63/64. Many changes in head markings in later years.
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      • Joe L.
        Beyond Control Poster
        • January 31, 1988
        • 43191

        #4
        Re: Struts (Assembly of new style bushing with outer steel shells).

        Originally posted by Paul Drennan (28344)
        Rick, after looking up this assembly in a old GM parts book, it appears that originally flat washers were not used on the inboard side with the cam bolts. My book calls for "caps", part # 348390, which are probably long discontinued. Hard for me to describe, but they appear to have a small sleeve made to the washer that would fit inside of the bushing and take up the space around the cam bolt. Hopefully others with greater skills at posting photos will chime in and hopefully Joe L will confirm if # is discontinued or replaced. May be available in the aftermarket. Chip.

        Paul------


        The caps were used on both sides of the bushing at the strut rod center bracket. They were not used at the outboard end.

        Alan has correctly stated the part numbers for the caps, both the 1963-74 and the 1975-82. The 1975-82 cap, GM #348390, was also SERVICE for many years for 1963-74. The 348390 is now discontinued without supersession. Both are reproduced.

        As can be seen from the photos, these caps are NOT washers. Their configuration is considerably different than a standard flat washer.
        In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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        • Richard M.
          Super Moderator
          • August 31, 1988
          • 11288

          #5
          Re: Struts (Assembly of new style bushing with outer steel shells).

          Found a old thread with some of the cap info....



          Post#12 has some photos.

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          • Richard G.
            Extremely Frequent Poster
            • July 31, 1984
            • 1715

            #6
            Re: Struts (Assembly of new style bushing with outer steel shells).

            I understand as delivered the set up was different for 63. As I am making some original parts compromises as I plan on some limited driving. This is the reason I went with the updated (outer metal sleeve) assembly installed on the original strut rods. Since it is a retrofit for my car I wanted to be sure I was assembling it correctly. I don't have access to the later information, where I could have just looked it up. Seems this comes up quite often. Hopefully the pictures help. I was also interested in the fit between the bolt and the bushing inner sleeve. The extra clearance seems odd to me. I know it GM could use a part without redesigning it for one application they would. A couple cheap caps possibly solved the issue? I am using the reproduction caps. I manufactured an installation tool that has clearance for the inner sleeve and centers itself on the bushing. I will press in the bushings today. In my old world of Manufacturing a .015 interference fit was unheard of except for parts that were not meant to be dissembled.
            I have never seen an explanation for the caps, I just best guessed as to the real function.

            Picture of an original strut rod with factory bushing installed.



            Strut with replacement bushing installed.



            Close up of the installed bushing next to an uninstalled bushing.
            On can see the bulging of the bushing from the interference fit (.015)



            A vise is capable of about 2-Tons of force.
            I used a press and best guess was 5 to 10 tons of force for the install.
            I don't think one could install them with a vise.

            Rick
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            Last edited by Richard G.; April 10, 2017, 01:03 AM.

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