C2 and C3 ball joints judging disparity???

[Gene M.]

Re: C2 and C3 ball joints judging disparity???

Good points have been raised on the need for reallocation of points. Take the wiper motor for instance, it is allowed more points than the entire frame. Imagine the single biggest and most important for structure allocated less than the wiper motor. In fact as Joe points out the chassis components are grouped together as suspension and alloted less points than even the number of parts in that section. Even the ash tray gets more attention than the suspension. Throw in the CDCIF system and some sections are an allocation challenge for judging. So yes in the future some effort needs to be spent on the points vs the components they are alloted to.

[Dick W.]

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Nah, I ain't gonna say it. Enough is enough

[Joseph S.]

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Dick, I think I'm thinking what you're thinking. Go ahead and say it! I dare you, no I double dare you!

[Rick A.]

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PapaSmurf I triple-dawg dare youse!

[Roy S.]

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as the instigator of the realignment of the judging points system wide (through all classes), I seem to remember it being a daunting task that took a lot of energy time and in some cases possibly friendships. Sounds easy to pick out a ball joint for discussion, but balancing the system was no easy challenge. The first meeting that precipitated the for most part unnoticed changes by the masses when the team leaders realigned the 4510 points occurred in Laughlin, NV circa 1997. Your back twenty years later and just now discussing similar issues to what had been noticed then. I hope the next generation of changes gets handled by the team leaders as well as those did twenty years ago, I applaud each of those team leaders and their efforts.

Now Dickie I double Dog Dare you to say it also, go for it.

[Bob J.]

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come on guys, we're dying out here......

would somebody please say it?

Please end this, Don

[Dick W.]

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OK, I am going to water several off with my comment. And to quote the infamous Rett Butler in Gone With The Wind, frankly my dear I don't give a d***" The system is headed in the direction that if you don't have a gazillion dollars to buy unobtainium parts for your restoration, or if your car has more than a few thousand miles on it, that Top Flight is going to become unobtainium material. I have seen realized prices on ebay for those parts go up to a point that you could buy a danged good Corvette for what four shocks sold for. Same thing for other parts.

When I was team leader I took the philosophy that if it looked like a duck, walked like a duck, and quacked like a duck, it probably was a duck.

[Rick A.]

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Amen, PapaSmurf

[Gary J.]

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Dick you dead on with your comment on gazzillion dollar for parts. Example: (2) '67 (FP) bolts for the mounting of the tri power breather lid on eBay for $400.00 Nuts! Two little bolts. No telling what the (A) bolts sell for a '68.

[Gene M.]

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A car can loose 270 points prior to falling out of top flight award. That is whole lot of precious parts. How much of ones car is missing that go beyond the 270 points lost? I propose one can do without those ridiculous priced original parts and substitute reproductions at a reasonable cost and still score under the CDCIF system fairly well.

An old saying a fool and his money will soon be departed must pertain to ridiculous priced Corvette parts and one not reasoning out the price per point.

[Mark D.]

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I agree with just about everything everyone has said but, again...this illustrates how fair the system is. Somebody chooses reproduction parts, they can still easily gain a Top Flight. Somebody chooses to spend the big bucks on real parts and, they too, get a Top Flight. The owner with the real parts gets a higher score, as it should be. Another fair aspect of NCRS judging; the score is not noted on the award.

Seems to me that the guys that choose the real parts always get lambasted as fools, idiots, more money than brains, etc. Maybe thats just jealousy.