Ncrs members need to look at this and read the feed back about your new venue

[David G.]

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Kudos to the National judging chairman and the NCRS board for introducing this new class of judging.
I also was a little doubtful when I got to Lakeland, but after the judging, it looked like this might be a
nice fit going forward. We should all give it a chance and it may work out the same as when the midyears
were first introduced to NCRS. We had some doubters then also.
Dave
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[Kenneth P.]

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I attend a local car show (non NCRS event) this past summer and there was a guy who had a 63 restomod, which was really a C6 underneath, and he had registered it in the C2 judging category and obviously won 1st place over some truly nice original C2's. My question is are these to be seen as a true C2 or a modified C6 or what ever chassis the body is mounted on?

Ken

[Frank D.]

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Since it was a non-NCRS show who knows what the judging standards were (if any) ?
The point of NCRS Flight Judging is that you are compared against an objective standard.
What isn't clear to me where is the distinction in the Concours area between 'modified' and 'full-blown restomods'....that can be a fine line..

[Bill M.]

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My sons love Corvettes. But if they ever get a hold of mine the drive trains will be swapped out as fast as they can afford to. To them a car without 500 hp is not worth driving.

[Kenneth P.]

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Since it was a non-NCRS show who knows what the judging standards were (if any) ?
The point of NCRS Flight Judging is that you are compared against an objective standard.
What isn't clear to me where is the distinction in the Concours area between 'modified' and 'full-blown restomods'....that can be a fine line..

Apparently some call them a modified C2 and others a restomod C2. Obviously there is a very large gray area as to where to draw the line.

Ken

[Frank D.]

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The CF thread has gone off the rails now - too typical...

[William F.]

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I have mixed feelings. it could be a slippery slope. I'm OK if a car has AmericanRacing, Halebrand, or classic Cragar wheels and a different engine in these new classes. I have seen a few, but only a few Corvette restorods that were works of art. But I'd think a judge would have to hold his nose to look at some of the wilder ones with fender flars , paint colors not seen in nature, etc. How to judge "best paint etc. ? what criteria? I remember back in the 70's when so called leisure suits were popular, some men's stores took the attitude "if s--t sells, stock it"; others didn't. Hope NCRS doesn't do the first. Trying to get more participation(more members and more dues?) is one thing, but I hope NCRS keeps its original intent RESTORERS society. Maybe don't take deductions for a few things done to increase drivability, radial tires, electronic ignition, new original type but not dated carb, in restored ribbon categories would be another and better way to get more participation.

[Michael F.]

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as in everything in world, young folks take their place and begin to rule the business world and those it targets and so must the collector car world. this is the way of the world and the young replace us older folks and world moves on. enjoy the ride while you can and do your best to enlighten and pass the torch to the next generation. I am.

[Gene M.]

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as in everything in world, young folks take their place and begin to rule the business world and those it targets and so must the collector car world. this is the way of the world and the young replace us older folks and world moves on. enjoy the ride while you can and do your best to enlighten and pass the torch to the next generation. I am.

Collector car is an interest. Business is a necessity. Not really linkable one to the other. Don't be surprised if the torch falls on the ground. While we enjoy the ride, not everybody standing behind us has the same aspirations nor interest. As an example antiques are just old stuff. Younger generations wants the high tech offerings. Us old people live in our generation. The younger generations will live in theirs.

All I'm saying is don't set yourself up for disappointment.

[Tony S.]

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I was among the first judges to judge at our Concours event in Lakeland, and I for one think it's a great idea. I hope it continues.

[John M.]

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I also was lucky enough to be one of the Concours judges at Lakeland, I though it was a great idea when the NJC first talked about it and hope it continues to grow. I still fondly remember the days of hottrodding/personalizing these cars. To leave the people that modified these cars back in the day and now out of our organization only hurts the continued growth of NCRS

[Darryl D.]

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I also was lucky enough to be one of the Concours judges at Lakeland, I though it was a great idea when the NJC first talked about it and hope it continues to grow. I still fondly remember the days of hottrodding/personalizing these cars. To leave the people that modified these cars back in the day and now out of our organization only hurts the continued growth of NCRS

Yeah, I always try to ask myself "what would Zora think about what I am doing?" LOL. Of course he was a REAL gearhead so if it had to do with improving the performance of the car I KNOW he would agree. Why did the vast majority of us want to buy our cars in the first place? I think most of wanted to drive one of the best performance machines available at the time it was built. Why wouldn't we want to improve on it if we could?

[Patrick B.]

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The irony here is that many of our C2's in particular were once participants in shows where fender flares, newer engines, wild hoods, chrome suspensions, and even duck tail spoilers were considered cool by 45 year younger versions of ourselves. I remember there was a class in NCCC (National Council of Corvette Clubs) shows where a big part of the score was a count of how many modifications were done to a Corvette. I think restoration is in large part the art of undoing modifications that had fallen out of style. We once enjoyed modifying Corvettes and now our hobby is unmodifying them. Maybe some of the cars in this new class will repeat this cycle and generate a new group of motorheads with the skills to restore them someday.

[Darryl D.]

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The irony here is that many of our C2's in particular were once participants in shows where fender flares, newer engines, wild hoods, chrome suspensions, and even duck tail spoilers were considered cool by 45 year younger versions of ourselves. I remember there was a class in NCCC (National Council of Corvette Clubs) shows where a big part of the score was a count of how many modifications were done to a Corvette. I think restoration is in large part the art of undoing modifications that had fallen out of style. We once enjoyed modifying Corvettes and now our hobby is unmodifying them. Maybe some of the cars in this new class will repeat this cycle and generate a new group of motorheads with the skills to restore them someday.

Yeah, I get it and have lived it. It is a cycle. The current trend is Resto Mods which there is no real definition of so it can encompass a lot. My definition of them is a classic car with a current type drive train, interior and custom wheels and tires. Then there are guys like me that prefer to keep as much of the look original but do engine and drive train mods that unless you are looking at numbers can't be identified. I could care less if my under carriage is clean let alone polished. I always say that if you are bent over looking at that you are in a perfect position for a kick in the ass. LOL

[Joe R.]

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Gee, I like the way "Frankie the Fink" characterizes the NCRS members with four digit numbers.

I was at the NCRS Regional in Florida and saw A great bunch of Corvettes in the "TENT" being judged.

The "Restomods" are a great way to bring old Corvettes back to life that cannot be "Restored" with a reasonable amount of original parts, blocks or restoration parts.

Restomod judging is a great way to also bring in new NCRS members that don't go for nut and bolt restoration.

JR