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  • Fred Y.
    Very Frequent User
    • April 30, 2000
    • 319

    #1111141 Distributor application

    Curious if any of the members have seen a 141 distributor used in a early L71 engine ? I have read it was a 66 390 application & early 67. Sometimes substituted for a 247. This has all the TI components (which appear to be) correctly installed, & the past owner/owners were NOT mechanics by any means especially when I still see 71 wires still on the car. She was parked in the garage in the early 90's & I found her in May. Dec 3rd car---Haaa----. I'm sure stranger things have happened. Curious what you guys may have seen before. Thanks as always. Fred
  • John D.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • December 1, 1979
    • 5507

    #2
    Re: #1111141 Distributor application

    Fred, On Ebay a seller is listing the distributor or just a stack of bands for: 66 427 Corvette without TI??
    John

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    • Joe L.
      Beyond Control Poster
      • February 1, 1988
      • 43219

      #3
      Re: #1111141 Distributor application

      Originally posted by Fred Yankocy (34048)
      Curious if any of the members have seen a 141 distributor used in a early L71 engine ? I have read it was a 66 390 application & early 67. Sometimes substituted for a 247. This has all the TI components (which appear to be) correctly installed, & the past owner/owners were NOT mechanics by any means especially when I still see 71 wires still on the car. She was parked in the garage in the early 90's & I found her in May. Dec 3rd car---Haaa----. I'm sure stranger things have happened. Curious what you guys may have seen before. Thanks as always. Fred

      Frank------


      GM #1111141 was not a TI distributor. It was a standard breaker point distributor for 1966 L-36. It might have been used for early 1967 L-36. I highly doubt it was ever originally used for a 1967 L-71 unless it was some sort of factory mistake.

      The GM #1111141 was discontinued from SERVICE in October, 1967 and replaced by GM #1111247.
      In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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      • Fred Y.
        Very Frequent User
        • April 30, 2000
        • 319

        #4
        Re: #1111141 Distributor application

        Hello John, Like probably most guys on this site, I bought some parts from you when I had a fuelie. Thanks for your note. So my $68 question is is it possible that a 67 L71 left the line with a 141 distributor ? Early Dec 66 build. (TODAY !)

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        • James G.
          Extremely Frequent Poster
          • May 31, 1976
          • 1556

          #5
          Re: #1111141 Distributor application

          And Fred, JOE knows his parts and history. You need to go shopping I believe. Ask the ''MECHANICAL'' BG and NCRS Team Leaders and judges from the past and present for their opinion before we say ''never''
          Over 80 Corvettes of fun ! Love Rochester Fuel Injection 57-65 cars. Love CORVETTE RACE CARS
          Co-Founder REGISTRY OF CORVETTE RACE CARS.COM

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          • Fred Y.
            Very Frequent User
            • April 30, 2000
            • 319

            #6
            Re: #1111141 Distributor application

            Well, I had a feeling that it was too big of a possible anomaly but I certainly had to ask. Let me take couple pics for you guys to look over.

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            • Fred Y.
              Very Frequent User
              • April 30, 2000
              • 319

              #7
              Re: #1111141 Distributor application


              The thing I see that seems funny is the fact that the rubber grommet with the wires to the bobbin looks like its been there for a LONG time & shows no signs of ever been messed with in any way. You guys have a better eye for this certainly than I ever will. But I'm learning----!!
              Appreciate your thoughts---If you'd like a different angle pic, let me know.
              Attached Files

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              • Joe L.
                Beyond Control Poster
                • February 1, 1988
                • 43219

                #8
                Re: #1111141 Distributor application

                Originally posted by Fred Yankocy (34048)

                The thing I see that seems funny is the fact that the rubber grommet with the wires to the bobbin looks like its been there for a LONG time & shows no signs of ever been messed with in any way. You guys have a better eye for this certainly than I ever will. But I'm learning----!!
                Appreciate your thoughts---If you'd like a different angle pic, let me know.

                Frank-------

                I don't see a distributor ID band on this which identifies it as a GM #1111141. Are you going by the casting number which looks like it MIGHT be "141" (I can't see it too clearly to say for sure it actually is "141")? Anyway, if so, that number has absolutely nothing to do with the distributor assembly part number.
                In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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                • Fred Y.
                  Very Frequent User
                  • April 30, 2000
                  • 319

                  #9
                  Re: #1111141 Distributor application

                  Joe----
                  Yes sir ,it is a 141 casting # on it. The band unfortunately is gone. So then, how best would I determine if I have the right dist here? I haven't seen any other #'s on it as of yet. So----maybe I won't have to go shopping---------------$$$$$$$----- Good education today. Fred

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                  • Joe L.
                    Beyond Control Poster
                    • February 1, 1988
                    • 43219

                    #10
                    Re: #1111141 Distributor application

                    Originally posted by Fred Yankocy (34048)
                    Joe----
                    Yes sir ,it is a 141 casting # on it. The band unfortunately is gone. So then, how best would I determine if I have the right dist here? I haven't seen any other #'s on it as of yet. So----maybe I won't have to go shopping---------------$$$$$$$----- Good education today. Fred

                    Frank------

                    As I mentioned, that number is a casting number (or, casting number derivative) of the distributor housing. It has nothing, whatsoever, to do with the distributor assembly part number.

                    It's very difficult, or even impossible, to definitively ID the distributor with the ID band gone. It does have the 66-67 big block distributor housing. Identifying the part number of the vacuum control, weights and springs would go a long way toward ID'ing it but the weights and springs are very hard to identify as to part number.

                    In any event, a distributor specialist with a distributor machine can set it up to the specs of the GM #1111258 even if it's not a 1111258. Then, you install a 1111258 ID band with a correct date for the car and you're done.
                    In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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                    • Fred Y.
                      Very Frequent User
                      • April 30, 2000
                      • 319

                      #11
                      Re: #1111141 Distributor application

                      AOK Joe,
                      Well knowing now that the 141 casting has nothing to do with the assembly part # is good to know. I'll look over the weights /vacuum some more. I'm sure it will need a rebuilding so, I'll cross that bridge soon enough. Thanks very much ! So out of curiosity then, what does the 141 casting refer to---???-----It must be something--??

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                      • Fred Y.
                        Very Frequent User
                        • April 30, 2000
                        • 319

                        #12
                        Re: #1111141 Distributor application

                        Joe,
                        I cleaned the crud off the top of the vac advance---Reads:

                        MS
                        201 15

                        on it & I have a "540" stamped beneath one of the counter weights once I remove the return spring.


                        I think things are going North

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                        • Joe L.
                          Beyond Control Poster
                          • February 1, 1988
                          • 43219

                          #13
                          Re: #1111141 Distributor application

                          Originally posted by Fred Yankocy (34048)
                          AOK Joe,
                          Well knowing now that the 141 casting has nothing to do with the assembly part # is good to know. I'll look over the weights /vacuum some more. I'm sure it will need a rebuilding so, I'll cross that bridge soon enough. Thanks very much ! So out of curiosity then, what does the 141 casting refer to---???-----It must be something--??

                          Frank------


                          It may be the last 3 digits of the casting number or it may be some other casting ID number. I don't know what the full casting number was since the raw, un-machined housing was never available in SERVICE.
                          In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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                          • Joe L.
                            Beyond Control Poster
                            • February 1, 1988
                            • 43219

                            #14
                            Re: #1111141 Distributor application

                            Originally posted by Fred Yankocy (34048)
                            Joe,
                            I cleaned the crud off the top of the vac advance---Reads:

                            MS
                            201 15


                            on it & I have a "540" stamped beneath one of the counter weights once I remove the return spring.


                            I think things are going North
                            Frank------

                            The stamping on your vacuum control is what was originally used on the GM #1111258 distributor.
                            In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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                            • Duke W.
                              Beyond Control Poster
                              • January 1, 1993
                              • 15667

                              #15
                              Re: #1111141 Distributor application

                              The 201 15 VAC was used on several TI distributors including L-71 and LT-1. There may be others. These engines all had ported vacuum advance. If converted to full time vacuum advance the 201 15 should be replaced with a B26 on L-71s and a B28 on LT-1s.

                              I don't know if distributor castings have a date code, but there is the issue of the machined "oil groove", which may also give a clue as to the date and original application. It looks like yours has only a "partial" groove rather than entirely around the casting.

                              Duke

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