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  • Gary D.
    Frequent User
    • August 31, 1985
    • 52

    67 BB Decoded

    Just purchased a 67 BB conv. I know the engine has been replaced it has a code on pad of CE869770 and casting # of 3885489 I think it was replaced under warranty. Any Ideas?
  • Edward B.
    Expired
    • March 29, 2013
    • 691

    #2
    Re: 67 BB Decoded

    CE stands for Chevrolet Engine and yes, it's a warranty replacement from 1968. You can read more about CE engines HERE.

    Ed

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    • Michael W.
      Expired
      • April 1, 1997
      • 4290

      #3
      Re: 67 BB Decoded

      The casting number is probably 3935439. CE engines were also sold as over the counter spares so without paperwork, it's impossible to say whether this engine was a direct warranty replacement or not.

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      • Gary D.
        Frequent User
        • August 31, 1985
        • 52

        #4
        Re: 67 BB Decoded

        Thank You Ed, The car is a true BB I have the build sheet. Gary

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        • Edward B.
          Expired
          • March 29, 2013
          • 691

          #5
          Re: 67 BB Decoded

          CE engines were also sold as over the counter spares so without paperwork, it's impossible to say whether this engine was a direct warranty replacement or not.


          Mike, you're close, but not quite there.
          The way John (Hinckley) explained it to me was that a CE engine was used for warranty replacements only. If your engine failed under the 5/50 warranty period, the dealer would order a replacement. It would be stamped with a CE number for trace-ability purposes (The dealer was also supposed to ship the defective engine back so they could figure out what broke and why, but that didn't always happen. However, at a minimum, someone from the zone office would come out and inspect it to make sure the dealer wasn't trying to pull a fast one!). This CE engine would be installed to get the customer back on the road again. It was the same engine displacement as the one with the problems (i.e., a 327 was replaced with another 327.) Note that CE engines were usually (actually, almost always) "Partial Engines" only. The original heads, intake, exhaust, etc... would be transferred from the defective engine to the CE replacement. CE engines were specifically built and used for service requirements only.

          Engines that were installed by places like Dana, Motion, Nickey, etc... were over the counter engines that literally, anyone could go in and order. These engines had a suffix code only. No CE code since they weren't a warranty exchange and no VIN since they were never installed in a car from the factory. These are the "transplanted" or "conversion" engines people talk about.

          Chevrolet sold 3 types of engines in various states of assembly.


          1. Engine assembly (this consisted of everything except items like the carburetor, alternator, etc...) These complete engines were stamped with the suffix code.

          2. Partial engine (this consisted of the block, crank, cam, timing gears and chain, pistons and connecting rods. It did NOT include heads, intake, exhaust, etc...). These WEREN'T stamped with the suffix code. Note however that these are what the dealer usually ordered for a warranty replacement, so in the case of a warranty replacement, it would be stamped with the CE number. It would NOT be stamped with the CE code if Joe Schmo walked in off the street and ordered it.

          3. Fitted cylinder block (this consisted of the pistons, pins, rings and bearings only. Nothing else). These weren't stamped with the suffix code either.


          Ed

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          • Michael W.
            Expired
            • April 1, 1997
            • 4290

            #6
            Re: 67 BB Decoded

            There's nothing to say that this CE engine was fitted to this car during it's warranty period. It could have first spent many years in another vehicle before eventually finding it's way under the hood.

            Wouldn't be the first time.

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            • Patrick B.
              Extremely Frequent Poster
              • August 31, 1985
              • 1995

              #7
              Re: 67 BB Decoded

              I have seen just fitted cylinder blocks also stamped with the CE code so it was not just short blocks that were stamped. Also, I've never heard before that a short block bought by an individual would not have a CE code while a short block ordered by the same dealer parts dept for warrantee work would. This does not sound right. Why would the engine plant care enough who would use the product to produce stamped and unstamped versions of the same short block, and why would the parts distribution system want to stock partial engines differing only in stampings? Did they have a different part number? How else would they distinguish them? But the dealer's catalog had only one part number for a particular short block. I don't see how they could even communicate that they wanted a short block for Joe Shmo who didn't need a stamping.

              Has anyone here bought a 68 or newer short block, and was it stamped with a CE code?

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              • Edward B.
                Expired
                • March 29, 2013
                • 691

                #8
                Re: 67 BB Decoded

                Michael, you are correct. After 50 years, anything is possible!

                Patrick, read THIS THREAD, especially the reply from John. It may answer some of your questions.

                Ed

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                • Patrick B.
                  Extremely Frequent Poster
                  • August 31, 1985
                  • 1995

                  #9
                  Re: 67 BB Decoded

                  Edward --- I see where you got the information, and it is from a very respected source. He did confirm my observation that fitted blocks also used the CE stamping. However, I still have a hard time believing that dealer orders for short blocks and fitted blocks had to be produced specially on overtime on weekends when they were just regular items listed in the parts catalog.

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