Help Identify possible block stamp change at factory on a 1964 w/air

[Loren L.]

Re: Help Identify possible block stamp change at factory on a 1964 w/air

Bill Mock is a known advertiser in almost every issue of the Driveline; the other two must be "doctors" by signature but Bill would remember who they were and where you should go to try to locate records; if Burroughs & Larsen say there are none, the quest is over - but you're not asking the question - Why?

[Patrick H.]

Re: Help Identify possible block stamp change at factory on a 1964 w/air

Bill Mock is a known advertiser in almost every issue of the Driveline; the other two must be "doctors" by signature but Bill would remember who they were and where you should go to try to locate records; if Burroughs & Larsen say there are none, the quest is over - but you're not asking the question - Why?

Looks like David Walters and possibly Vance Shappley? Both would make sense given the time period.

[Edward M.]

Re: Help Identify possible block stamp change at factory on a 1964 w/air

It might also be worth touching base with Al Grenning.

[Jim S.]

Re: Help Identify possible block stamp change at factory on a 1964 w/air

I sent an email to Al G. and he mailed me an application along with an asking price of $500 to review the engine pad.....No thanks.

[Ted K.]

Re: Help Identify possible block stamp change at factory on a 1964 w/air

The battery on an air car is located on the drivers side. If it was originally a non-air car and modified to an air car there should be evidence of the battery having been located on the passenger side.
I have a 64 correct air car and will get a picture of the stamp pad tomorrow.

[Gene M.]

Re: Help Identify possible block stamp change at factory on a 1964 w/air

I sent an email to Al G. and he mailed me an application along with an asking price of $500 to review the engine pad.....No thanks.

Shared information here has never required an application form nor a fee in the past. Times has changed?..............

[Jeff B.]

Re: Help Identify possible block stamp change at factory on a 1964 w/air

My sister has a 64 coupe w/air she bought new in Jan '64. This car is totally unmolested except for a repaint in about 1984. I will try to get a pic of this engine stamp. It is absolutely untouched.

[Jim S.]

Re: Help Identify possible block stamp change at factory on a 1964 w/air

The battery on an air car is located on the drivers side. If it was originally a non-air car and modified to an air car there should be evidence of the battery having been located on the passenger side.
I have a 64 correct air car and will get a picture of the stamp pad tomorrow.

Yes mine is on the driver side, I will look for evidence. I reached out to the second owner and he hasn't called back. The 3rd owner who had a lot of work done on it by a shop is calling me back when he gets home from his Alaska cruise.

[Jim S.]

Re: Help Identify possible block stamp change at factory on a 1964 w/air

That would be very helpful......thanks

[Jim S.]

Re: Help Identify possible block stamp change at factory on a 1964 w/air

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Originally Posted by Ol Blue A friend of mine bought a black 64 coupe with leather, 365 engine and A/C from an original owner estate sale back when matching numbers was not much of a concern. It had atlas tires and hoses on it, but was completely unrestored, or even cleaned up. The paint was terrible, chipped and weathercracked, the seats likewise. The engine compartment was filthy too. Sometime later he registered if for Survivor judging at Bloomington Gold when it was still in Illinois. He had to be out of town so I drove it over for to be judged. That might have been the very first Survivor judging, maybe 1990??? I'm not a matching numbers guy and at the time never gave much thought to the judges excitement when they called other judges over to look at the engine stamping. They were exclaiming that the engine had been stamped as a 365 horse, but then overstamped to denote a high horse with A/C code and were certain it came from the factory like that. Strange things happened "back in the day".

[Edward M.]

Re: Help Identify possible block stamp change at factory on a 1964 w/air

I am still thinking that the defining piece of information is the dealer paperwork that indicates an RD suffix code.

As I understand the process, the dealer would inventory the car as it came in from the assembly plant. They would verify / record the VIN and the motor number, and that information would go on the dealer's paperwork.

It seems more likely than not that, when the dealership checked the motor number, it had the RD suffix. If that really is the case, then the Q was added after it got to the dealer.

An interesting mystery....

[Kenneth B.]

Re: Help Identify possible block stamp change at factory on a 1964 w/air

I am still thinking that the defining piece of information is the dealer paperwork that indicates an RD suffix code.

As I understand the process, the dealer would inventory the car as it came in from the assembly plant. They would verify / record the VIN and the motor number, and that information would go on the dealer's paperwork.

It seems more likely than not that, when the dealership checked the motor number, it had the RD suffix. If that really is the case, then the Q was added after it got to the dealer.

An interesting mystery....

So why would the dealer care what the usage code was supposed to be if it matched what the factory sent along with the VIN#?

[Edward M.]

Re: Help Identify possible block stamp change at factory on a 1964 w/air

The dealer physically looked at the VIN tag and the motor number, and recorded that information on the dealer paperwork. The key here is a physical inventory of those numbers.

The dealer paperwork indicates that the Motor Number has an RD suffix. That would lead us to believe that when the dealer physically checked the car, the engine suffix was RD.

I am not aware of any accompanying paperwork from the factory / assembly plant that recorded this information prior to the vehicle arriving at the dealer.

Thoughts?

[Jeff B.]

Re: Help Identify possible block stamp change at factory on a 1964 w/air

Drove to my sister's house (135 miles) to look at her 64 w/air. As said before, she bought the car new in January 1964. It was repainted in 1984, but everything else basically original. I could not get a decent picture of the engine pad due to the heater hose, gas line, A/C bracket and other things in the way. However, the pad is stamped F1226RP. Car is a 250hp - 4 speed. The numbers appear to have been stamped all at same time. All the fonts look the same and are in line and properly spaced. The "P" does not appear to be an overstamp. A 250 horse 4-spd w/o air would be "RC". Car vin is 8627, built Jan 9th, body #3600.
Hope this helps.