69 with a replacement block

[Jimmy D.]

Re: 69 with a replacement block

With the info we have can someone at this site put all this together in one document to make it as correct as we know?

[Patrick H.]

Re: 69 with a replacement block

With the info we have can someone at this site put all this together in one document to make it as correct as we know?

What exactly are you asking for? Info on your car? Info on the casting process? It is not clear.

[Jimmy D.]

Re: 69 with a replacement block

Just with the casting numbers I have and the date of build something that documents this the best we can. I thought I saw something like that on the site but for the dealer location.

[Joe L.]

Re: 69 with a replacement block

No. The records at GM are long gone, and the ones from Berwick Chevrolet are as well.
Whatever parts are dated correctly for a 1969 likely came on the car originally, and anything else was replacement. I would suspect that the intake and possibly heads are all you're going to find that are "correct."

A friend of mine is restoring the 1969 his Dad bought new. As with many 435s it lost a valve, and the short block was replaced. He is restoring it using the short block, as it's part of the car's story. He did not see the benefit, other than in judging, to have a different block stamped as original.

Patrick------


He mentioned earlier that the intake is aluminum. So, even the intake could not be original to the car as no 1969 small blocks were originally fitted with aluminum intake manifolds.

[Patrick H.]

Re: 69 with a replacement block

Just with the casting numbers I have and the date of build something that documents this the best we can. I thought I saw something like that on the site but for the dealer location.

Only you have the car in front of you, and it's up to you to document what you have. Write down all the numbers and dates, and keep it with the car when you sell it.

CE replacement engines are nothing new or unknown, so there's not much to add there.

[Mike E.]

Re: 69 with a replacement block

Jimmy,
\Welcome to the Forum. You'll get a lot of help here, but you will also need to sift through the info and make sure you evaluate everything without immediately accepting it as gospel.
If you look at the attached scan from A 1971 Chevrolet Dealer Service Information Bulletin, you will get info right from the source about what you have. The casting date indicates late 1971. The CEC131535 would indicate that it is a Chevrolet replacement motor (engine assembly, partial engine, fitted cylinder case, or cylinder case. It would have been produced in late 1971, and would have been the 71,535th such unit manufactured by Chevrolet in 1971.
Other things that you are asking are a bit confusing, but we can help you. I'm over here between Burlington and Milwaukee, and would be happy to help. Email or private message me through the forum if you would like.
Mike

[Jimmy D.]

Re: 69 with a replacement block

Patrick,
I am taking lots of pitchers and keeping all receipts from the machine shop. This car will be well documented. The thing that got me going was the past owner was told in 84 that the block was from a 75 vette. It was build into a LT1. I have all receipts and a signed statement. So I think I have something more than what I was told when I bought the car. Just not sure how important it is but I seem to enjoy the search for all of the history. I'm trying to locate the first owner. Seems to be the best option to find out what happened. Thanks for your input.

[Mike E.]

Re: 69 with a replacement block

My scan went somewhere into cyberspace. Let's try this again:

[Jimmy D.]

Re: 69 with a replacement block

I'm still confused about the CEC. What does the 2nd C mean

[Michael W.]

Re: 69 with a replacement block

Patrick,
I am taking lots of pitchers and keeping all receipts from the machine shop. This car will be well documented. The thing that got me going was the past owner was told in 84 that the block was from a 75 vette. It was build into a LT1. I have all receipts and a signed statement. So I think I have something more than what I was told when I bought the car. Just not sure how important it is but I seem to enjoy the search for all of the history. I'm trying to locate the first owner. Seems to be the best option to find out what happened. Thanks for your input.

Jimmy-

One of the problems with CE engines is there's little or no way of knowing how or when the particular engine ended up in your car. The casting number and date would indicate a Flint cast and assembled engine from 1971 (not 1975) but there's nothing to say that it ended up in your car as a warranty replacement in that same time period, was bought as a replacement engine once out of warranty, or spent time in another car before making it's way to yours.

Many people believe that 'CE' engines should be given partial credit during judging but given that they cannot be tied to the car at any point in time, I don't agree.

[Mike E.]

Re: 69 with a replacement block

Read the bottom paragraph of the scan--it is explained there.

[Michael W.]

Re: 69 with a replacement block

I'm still confused about the CEC. What does the 2nd C mean

After they ran out of CE serial numbers, they went to CEA, then CEB, then CEC etc.

[Jimmy D.]

Re: 69 with a replacement block

Michael, not sure about credit for a CE but after working for a supplier to GM for 17 years we had many detects that were coming from are supplier. We would issue a repair order and fix the problem. I would think some creid could be given. Like a recall nowdays?

[Jimmy D.]

Re: 69 with a replacement block

OK makes sense. Thank you

[Jimmy D.]

Re: 69 with a replacement block

To everyone who replied to my questions on the CEC block, thanks and I now have it in and running. I did a total rebuild with some internal up grades. A big thanks to JRC Enterprise in Columbus Wi. Wow did he do to a job with it. What I liked the most about it is he let me come in and watch the process from start to finish. We dyno tested and tuned it when I was there. That's really cool. This is the most documented CEC motor out there. I drove some really fast cars, GT-40 and cobras. This by no means the same but it sure brought back memories. If anyone would like more info free free to call or email me. Jimmy