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  • Thomas S.
    Very Frequent User
    • February 7, 2016
    • 617

    Cheap AND poorly designed after market products - don't blame it on the Chinese!

    We've all been there, you buy a replacement part to replace an item that has been functioning perfectly fine for over 50 years only to have the replacment fail, or not fit, or be cosmetically inferior even to the original part that was over 50 years old!

    You mention it to someone and the answer, more often than not is "what do you expect, its made in China". The real question should be why did the company that sold it to me NOT insist on a higher level of quality to begin with. Many of those aftermarket parts suppliers and distributors post content and replies on this site so I hope they read this one.

    There is no substitute for quality control when you are sourcing a product, in particular into a market where the buyers fully expect form / fit and function to be paramount. The overwhelming number of people that own vintage vechicles don't want to buy junk or waste time installing aftermarket replacement parts repeatedly especially when many of the items that need replacemnt are difficult to get at in the 1st place. So why can't these suppliers be more proactive and insist on replacment parts meeting the original specifications (including materials used) that were designed by Original Equipment Manufacturers (OEM'S).

    Case in point was a recent experience I had replacing an instrument cluster in my 63. Not exactly a moon-shot but somewhat involved. I'll skip all the cursing and dumb things done, but can someone please explain why a simple speedometer cable that is sold as a replacement can not be manufacturered to the correct length. By correct length I mean the portion that fits into the speedo head or the length between the stop-ferrule and the tip?

    I know there are numerous posts on this topic about t******* to length, but if it's so common to have to do this then why can't the companys bring these into the States insist on having them meet the original specifications. In my case the tip on the aftermarket piece looked fine but was a tenth of an inch longer than the AC original. Not a big deal of course but I found out the hard way and now the cluster has to be removed and speedo head has to be repaired. Ironically, I will end up using the orignal cable as it looked perfectly fine upon further inspection.

    So I'm curious about how others feel, agree / disagree, or if we simply have to accept a lower standard from these sources?
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  • Patrick H.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • December 1, 1989
    • 11643

    #2
    Re: Cheap AND poorly designed after market products - don't blame it on the Chinese!

    Originally posted by Thomas Sutcliffe (62028)
    You mention it to someone and the answer, more often than not is "what do you expect, its made in China". The real question should be why did the company that sold it to me NOT insist on a higher level of quality to begin with. Many of those aftermarket parts suppliers and distributors post content and replies on this site so I hope they read this one.


    So I'm curious about how others feel, agree / disagree, or if we simply have to accept a lower standard from these sources?
    My Dad's business the last 25 years (actually 35+ if you want to get picky) has been in Sourcing, i.e. obtaining goods from other countries for US-based companies. Currently he's halfway through his 68th trip to the Far East, including China. He would agree with you completely.

    I've watched him source/import a wide variety of products, have been on business trips with him, and listened to many of his discussions. The vast majority of "quality issues" are due to US companies (clients) not giving proper specifications, not holding the manufacturer to quality standards, and often not reviewing prototype parts before they give the go-ahead for production. I'm sure it is the same for Corvette parts as it is for the items that he imports, some of which you'd recognize. After this many years he's learned what questions to ask and how to go about the process so that the odds of a product that doesn't meet expectations are minimized.

    GM sources a lot of parts from China. You know that they wouldn't/couldn't do that if "all" Chinese products were junk. They've learned to hold their worldwide suppliers to the same standard as US-based suppliers. Unfortunately many US companies don't do the same.
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    • Bob W.
      Very Frequent User
      • December 1, 1977
      • 802

      #3
      Re: Cheap AND poorly designed after market products - don't blame it on the Chinese!

      Thomas I agree with you and Patrick its not the manufacture its the vender who should say its not right NO THANK YOU and not supply the junk.

      Just my feeling Bob

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      • Russ S.
        Extremely Frequent Poster
        • April 30, 1982
        • 2162

        #4
        Re: Cheap AND poorly designed after market products - don't blame it on the Chinese!

        Really!!! Should the US have to supply minor and major diameters of a nut and bolt to the chinese for every item they make?? Just because an importer doesn't supply them with every detail does that really become an excuse for them make absolutely worthless unusable junk?

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        • Patrick H.
          Beyond Control Poster
          • December 1, 1989
          • 11643

          #5
          Re: Cheap AND poorly designed after market products - don't blame it on the Chinese!

          Originally posted by Russ Steinhaus (5540)
          Really!!! Should the US have to supply minor and major diameters of a nut and bolt to the chinese for every item they make?? Just because an importer doesn't supply them with every detail does that really become an excuse for them make absolutely worthless unusable junk?
          Yes, it does.

          As far as the Chinese supplier is concerned they gave the vendor/buyer EXACTLY what they asked for.
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          72 5-Star Bowtie / Duntov coupe. https://www.flickr.com/photos/124695...57649252735124
          2008 coupe
          Available stickers: Engine suffix code, exhaust tips & mufflers, shocks, AIR diverter valve broadcast code.

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          • Russ S.
            Extremely Frequent Poster
            • April 30, 1982
            • 2162

            #6
            Re: Cheap AND poorly designed after market products - don't blame it on the Chinese!

            So you are saying the US vender gives them specs to intentionally make the item unusable? I don't think so.
            Originally posted by Patrick Hulst (16386)
            Yes, it does.

            As far as the Chinese supplier is concerned they gave the vendor/buyer EXACTLY what they asked for.

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            • Patrick H.
              Beyond Control Poster
              • December 1, 1989
              • 11643

              #7
              Re: Cheap AND poorly designed after market products - don't blame it on the Chinese!

              Originally posted by Russ Steinhaus (5540)
              So you are saying the US vender gives them specs to intentionally make the item unusable? I don't think so.
              No, they usually don't give them specs, or worse yet the assUme that the vendor knows what it is that they want.

              Realize that the Chinese vendor has no idea what a vintage Corvette is, or what the proposed part is supposed to do. Could you build a dimensionally perfect hood for a vintage Bugatti using only a photo? No, and you've probably seen one, or at least many pictures, and know what it should do. Now why do US vendors assUme that same amount of information is good enough for the Chinese to build a quality Corvette part?

              You wouldn't believe how often a US vendor says "Oh, I didn't know I had to tell them that."
              Vice-Chairman (West), Michigan Chapter NCRS
              71 "deer modified" coupe
              72 5-Star Bowtie / Duntov coupe. https://www.flickr.com/photos/124695...57649252735124
              2008 coupe
              Available stickers: Engine suffix code, exhaust tips & mufflers, shocks, AIR diverter valve broadcast code.

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              • Joe R.
                Extremely Frequent Poster
                • July 31, 1976
                • 4550

                #8
                Re: Cheap AND poorly designed after market products - don't blame it on the Chinese!

                Two concepts here:

                1. Let the buyer beware!

                2. Don't buy the junk and then cry about it being wrong.

                JR

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                • Frank D.
                  Expired
                  • December 27, 2007
                  • 2703

                  #9
                  Re: Cheap AND poorly designed after market products - don't blame it on the Chinese!

                  One of my favorite examples. The early repro grill for my '61 on the car when I bought it (top); compared to a modern Paragon replacement (bottom). Just about as bad as it gets.
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                  • Bruce B.
                    Extremely Frequent Poster
                    • May 31, 1996
                    • 2930

                    #10
                    Re: Cheap AND poorly designed after market products - don't blame it on the Chinese!

                    China can produce a I-Phone but not a 1/4-20 bolt.
                    I don't think China is the problem.
                    ?????

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                    • Thomas S.
                      Very Frequent User
                      • February 7, 2016
                      • 617

                      #11
                      Re: Cheap AND poorly designed after market products - don't blame it on the Chinese!

                      Agree with number one.

                      As far as number two, nobodys crying here. The part, in this case a cable, was not junk and that was not my point. It was simply not to spec. My other point was that regardless or where the part is made, it should be correct. The parts supplier, could have easily perform lot sampling on incoming receipt and they would have seen this. I'm new to this but I have certainly dealt with more complex mechanical products. My preference is to buy American made parts but many make companys make that claim when in fact there is no way to confirm it.

                      There is no substitute for experience and that includes knowing good sources. I've made it a point to use various parts sources for that exact reason and they are well known. One of the reason I like this site is because there is so much good information and members are very helpful.
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                      • Michael W.
                        Expired
                        • April 1, 1997
                        • 4290

                        #12
                        Re: Cheap AND poorly designed after market products - don't blame it on the Chinese!

                        Originally posted by Thomas Sutcliffe (62028)
                        The parts supplier, could have easily perform lot sampling on incoming receipt and they would have seen this.
                        If 'parts supplier' means the contracting and buying party here, you're right and that's what Patrick is saying. For garbage parts to reach the end customer (us) is unacceptable. Don't blame the manufacturing party or assume it's simply because of the country of origin.

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                        • Ken A.
                          Very Frequent User
                          • July 31, 1986
                          • 929

                          #13
                          Re: Cheap AND poorly designed after market products - don't blame it on the Chinese!

                          Originally posted by Thomas Sutcliffe (62028)
                          Agree with number one.

                          As far as number two, nobodys crying here. The part, in this case a cable, was not junk and that was not my point. It was simply not to spec. My other point was that regardless or where the part is made, it should be correct. The parts supplier, could have easily perform lot sampling on incoming receipt and they would have seen this. I'm new to this but I have certainly dealt with more complex mechanical products. My preference is to buy American made parts but many make companys make that claim when in fact there is no way to confirm it.

                          There is no substitute for experience and that includes knowing good sources. I've made it a point to use various parts sources for that exact reason and they are well known. One of the reason I like this site is because there is so much good information and members are very helpful.
                          Did you measure the depth of the first worm magnet assembly where the cable connects? The real possibility is that a cheap rebuilder ground off the end and repeened it in another frame. Looks OK but the cable won't fit, too long. All cable ends for GM were the same length. If your cable was too long, then the whole batch would be bad, I would think.

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                          • Thomas S.
                            Very Frequent User
                            • February 7, 2016
                            • 617

                            #14
                            Re: Cheap AND poorly designed after market products - don't blame it on the Chinese!

                            By "parts supplier" I meant company like Corvette America, Zip Corvette, Long Island Corvette, Mid American, Paragon, etc. It's up to them to source these parts from reputable companies and to check them upon receipt. A lot of these parts could also have another layer of distribution meaning many of the company's mentioned go through another distributor as opposed to ordering them directly from the actual manufacturer.
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                            • Thomas S.
                              Very Frequent User
                              • February 7, 2016
                              • 617

                              #15
                              Re: Cheap AND poorly designed after market products - don't blame it on the Chinese!

                              No and yes I learned that lesson for the next time. I didn't do any depth measurement on the speedo all I know is that the distance from the tip of the cable to the brass ferrule was 0.1" longer than the original cable. The ferrule would be the limiting factor in that it would prevent the tip from going too far into the head. I agree, if the actual internals of the head were modified beyond spec that could also be an issue.

                              Maybe I would have been better off leaving it as is and doubling the the Tach reading to figure out my speed.

                              Tom
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