Judging Guides and Color Pictures

[Mark D.]

For years, volunteers have worked to provide judging guides for the membership. For years, revision teams have solicited the help of the membership, to produce the best product possible.

For reasons that, in my opinion, seem misguided, the decision has been to keep all the pictures and illustrations in black and white. It is obvious, in my opinion, color pictures are far superior in detailing what is trying to be presented.

Although I'm sure there will be costs associated with using color pics, I believe the benefits would be remarkable.

How does the membership feel about this subject?

Regards,

Mark

[Harry S.]

Re: Judging Guides and Color Pictures

Mark, I have received two answers in the past, 1) the cost of the JG might possibly double and 2) a color picture might be interpreted as that is the exact color of the part. In fact it might not be. Like chrome and flash chrome.

I like color!

[Kenneth P.]

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I believe the better answer is to have a area on the NCRS web site broken down by JG that members can log in and view color pics with the page number in the JG. This would be little or no cost for the NCRS and easily manage when mistakes are found.

Ken

[Dave S.]

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Mark, I have received two answers in the past, 1) the cost of the JG might possibly double and 2) a color picture might be interpreted as that is the exact color of the part. In fact it might not be. Like chrome and flash chrome.

I like color!

I too too have heard those excuses. To my knowledge the cost to have the manuals printed by a real printing company has not been explored so until that information is obtained it should not be used as an excuse. They currently are printed at a Cincinnati Kinkos. Hard to believe that is cost effective and certainly lots of quality is lost doing it that way. The effort to re -write the manuals and provide high quality photos is extensive and is done all by volunteers. In my opinion our membership deserves the full benefits of all that work.
I can't imagine that a color photo would assist any judging decisions. If that concern exists just add wording that the colors can't be relied on.

[Michael W.]

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I've always had problems staying inside the lines when colouring.

[Kevin G.]

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Mark,

Interesting but not as easily done as said...Removing exterior paint from the conversation, what items would you like to show in color? The differences in semi black vs. glossy? Or Chevy orange to GM blue motors? Certainly, the differences in interior parts that came from the factory could become problematic?

To the poster above asking for JG to be made available on line removes how many dollars of revenue for the NCRS?

Just asking?

[Leif A.]

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Mark,

Interesting but not as easily done as said...Removing exterior paint from the conversation, what items would you like to show in color? The differences in semi black vs. glossy? Or Chevy orange to GM blue motors? Certainly, the differences in interior parts that came from the factory could become problematic?

To the poster above asking for JG to be made available on line removes how many dollars of revenue for the NCRS?

Just asking?

Speaking for myself only, I would gladly pay additional annual dues to have access to an online, color TIM&JG. The current 5th edition TIM&JG for the '67 costs $24.95 and it doesn't change every year. So, maybe an additional $15 per year could cover the expense of having the online TIM&JG part of your annual dues...optional, of course.

[Kevin G.]

Re: Judging Guides and Color Pictures

Speaking for myself only, I would gladly pay additional annual dues to have access to an online, color TIM&JG. The current 5th edition TIM&JG for the '67 costs $24.95 and it doesn't change every year. So, maybe an additional $15 per year could cover the expense of having the online TIM&JG part of your annual dues...optional, of course.

Leif, When you get that could you forward me a free copy, thanks.....see my point?

[Kenneth P.]

Re: Judging Guides and Color Pictures

Mark,

Interesting but not as easily done as said...Removing exterior paint from the conversation, what items would you like to show in color? The differences in semi black vs. glossy? Or Chevy orange to GM blue motors? Certainly, the differences in interior parts that came from the factory could become problematic?

To the poster above asking for JG to be made available on line removes how many dollars of revenue for the NCRS?

Just asking?

Kevin

I think you misread my reply. Only those items that having a color pic would better assist the owner and judges would be posted. You would still have to buy the JG since it would have all the information and the color pics would only be an adjunct item to the book. No money lost.

Ken

[Michael J.]

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Sounds like a good idea, but considering the trouble I have had in judging with some judges having odd, unusual color interpretations of exterior paint colors, it may cause more problems than it solves if they really have a problem with colors in general, and of course color is a very subjective parameter.

[Kevin G.]

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Kevin

I think you misread my reply. Only those items that having a color pic would better assist the owner and judges would be posted. You would still have to buy the JG since it would have all the information and the color pics would only be an adjunct item to the book. No money lost.

Ken

No Ken, I completely understood. Installing the JG online in any manner would lead to an easily copied, forwarded, shared, whatever creating a loss....If there's a method to encrypt for one use only? Then maybe just maybe it could assist?

[Kenneth P.]

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No Ken, I completely understood. Installing the JG online in any manner would lead to an easily copied, forwarded, shared, whatever creating a loss....If there's a method to encrypt for one use only? Then maybe just maybe it could assist?

Kevin

I'm not talking about putting the complete JG online only those pics that would be of benefit. How does that interfere with some one buy a JG. To begin with if your going to do corvette restoration then your going to have money. Being a tightwad will not make it. My friend could have easily given me his book after he got top flight last year but I elected to purchase my own. If you are going to pay $50 to become a member I would think most corvette owner would not have a problem paying for the manual. As for me I bought my JG before becoming a member to see if this was what I really wanted to do. I don't agree with your analogy that posting only choice pics would in any way reduce profits.

That said an answer to your concerns could be when anyone wanted to view the online pics they would have to answer an random question that only have a book could answer. I seen this used many times before and it is quite effective.

Ken

[Leif A.]

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Leif, When you get that could you forward me a free copy, thanks.....see my point?

Kevin,
I would think that it could be encrypted whereas it could not be copied and pasted...

[Kevin G.]

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Ken,

You have no idea how far some will go to save their pennies here,

Leif,

I'll keep quiet and watch this thread cont., thanks for the words, my friend.

[Kenneth P.]

Re: Judging Guides and Color Pictures

Ken,

You have no idea how far some will go to save their pennies here,

Leif,

I'll keep quiet and watch this thread cont., thanks for the words, my friend.

Are there penny pinchers? Of course there are but would like to think they are far and few between but you maybe right. I'm currently trying to track down pics of items poorly described in the book but no one seem able to produce the correct ones. I've spent countless hours search the web and asking various corvette specialist while tracking down information. Once I know what I am looking for then it makes the chase easier. But hey that the fun of it.

I agree lets sit back and see what others come up with.

Ken