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  • Thomas F.
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    • November 10, 2008
    • 204

    C3 Headlight Actuators

    I have been working on my 69 Corvette headlight actuators and have accumulated the following information by personal experience and searching web sites and forums. There seems to be a lot of confusion about this particular subject so here is what I have learned. If any of this information is incorrect please feel free to let me know. You will not hurt my feelings.

    It is my understanding that the two sections of the actuator are separated by an air tight diaphragm and vacuum should not pass through or around this actuator. If it does the actuator is bad and must be replaced unless there is someone who can repair it. One end of the actuator has a rod protruding from it that must be sealed by a rubber seal. If this seal is leaking the actuator will not function as originally intended so this seal must be good.

    To test the actuator without putting it into your car you can simply apply vacuum with a vacuum pump to each port of the actuator and it should hold vacuum at each port. You do not have to block off the opposite port because vacuum is not suppose to pass through the diaphragm. If vacuum holds at each port everything is 100% and the actuator is good. Before applying vacuum you should push the rod and diaphragm toward the port you are testing. This will limit the amount of pumping you will have to do to get the vacuum to hold.

    The outer rubber seal is simply a dust cover and has nothing to do with the vacuum seal.

    It is true that the system may work even with small vacuum leaks, but for maximum efficiency all ports need to hold vacuum for a reasonable period of time. It is also very important that all vacuum lines fit very tightly. There are so many connections where vacuum can leak and a few leaks can make a big difference. There any many more on the cars with the vacuum controlled wiper door. Someone even suggested using clamps or plastic tie clamps if the connection seems to be loose. Hope this helps someone. I have many hours invested in trying to get my system to work and I am not done yet.
  • Alan S.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • July 31, 1989
    • 3414

    #2
    Re: C3 Headlight Actuators

    Hi Thomas,
    That's some very useful information for people struggling with their wiper/headlight systems.
    If I may I'll add that even with original vacuum hoses the hose to nipple/pipe seal can be often be improved by cutting about 3/8"-1/2" off the ends of the hose. This seems to get the 'seal' to a 'fresh' part of the hose and the chance for better seals.
    Regards,
    Alan
    71 Coupe, 350/270, 4 speed
    Mason Dixon Chapter
    Chapter Top Flight October 2011

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    • Thomas F.
      Expired
      • November 10, 2008
      • 204

      #3
      Re: C3 Headlight Actuators

      Thanks for this tip Alan I may put it to use on my car. I was told by someone today to test the actuator you need to block off the opposite end of the actuator before testing to see if it will hold vacuum. I am by no means an expert on this subject and I hope someone can help me out on this question. It seems to me that if you block off the opposite end it will always hold vacuum. If you have no way for outside air to enter you would be able to draw a vacuum on any actuator even if the diaphragm was bad. This seems like good science to me. What do you think?

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      • Michael W.
        Expired
        • March 31, 1997
        • 4290

        #4
        Re: C3 Headlight Actuators

        Originally posted by Thomas Feagins (49689)
        It seems to me that if you block off the opposite end it will always hold vacuum. If you have no way for outside air to enter you would be able to draw a vacuum on any actuator even if the diaphragm was bad. This seems like good science to me. What do you think?
        Not true. Air will enter if the front seal is bad or if the canister itself is leaking. Blocking the opposite port achieves nothing and creates a condition that never occurs in service.

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        • Thomas F.
          Expired
          • November 10, 2008
          • 204

          #5
          Re: C3 Headlight Actuators

          Michael, thanks for the reply. Let me see if we are in agreement.
          If the front seal is good and there are no leaks in the canister itself you would always be able to draw a vacuum on the actuator if you blocked off the opposite port even if the diaphragm was bad. To test a new actuator you would not want to block off the opposite port. That would be defeating the purpose of the test. Each individual port should hold vacuum without blocking off the opposite port.

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          • Michael W.
            Expired
            • March 31, 1997
            • 4290

            #6
            Re: C3 Headlight Actuators

            Originally posted by Thomas Feagins (49689)
            If the front seal is good and there are no leaks in the canister itself you would always be able to draw a vacuum on the actuator if you blocked off the opposite port even if the diaphragm was bad.
            Yes, but that's a pointless test. Again, it creates a situation that does not exist while in service and would not detect a leaking diaphragm. The actuator only sees vacuum on one port with atmospheric pressure on the other.

            Originally posted by Thomas Feagins (49689)
            To test a new actuator you would not want to block off the opposite port.
            I wouldn't do it on any actuator.

            Originally posted by Thomas Feagins (49689)
            Each individual port should hold vacuum without blocking off the opposite port.
            This is the only test required.

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            • Thomas F.
              Expired
              • November 10, 2008
              • 204

              #7
              Re: C3 Headlight Actuators

              Thanks again Michael. This is exactly the information I needed to hear. Have a good day.

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              • Alan S.
                Extremely Frequent Poster
                • July 31, 1989
                • 3414

                #8
                71 Coupe, 350/270, 4 speed
                Mason Dixon Chapter
                Chapter Top Flight October 2011

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                • Douglas L.
                  Expired
                  • May 8, 2015
                  • 181

                  #9
                  Re: C3 Headlight Actuators

                  I'm not sure but I believe the point of blocking the opposite port is to narrow down where a leak is coming from. If you apply vacuum to the green port and it doesn't hold vacuum, plugging the red port will let you know whether the shaft seal or the diaphragm is leaking.

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                  • Michael W.
                    Expired
                    • March 31, 1997
                    • 4290

                    #10
                    Re: C3 Headlight Actuators

                    Originally posted by douglas lightfoot (61192)
                    I'm not sure but I believe the point of blocking the opposite port is to narrow down where a leak is coming from. If you apply vacuum to the green port and it doesn't hold vacuum, plugging the red port will let you know whether the shaft seal or the diaphragm is leaking.
                    That would work, but such a leak would also be detected if just the rear port is under vacuum.

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