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  • Mark E.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • April 1, 1993
    • 4536

    Welcome C4 and C5 Enthusiasts!

    Walter’s recent posts about his 1984 made me wonder: Where are the other C4 owners on this Forum? And how can we make this Forum more attractive and useful for them?

    Instead of us old guys trailering our solid axle to the next event, why don’t we buy a C4, DRIVE IT in comfort to a Regional, then enter it to Flight judging? It’s affordable, comfortable, and the experience might increase the C4 chatter on the Forum. Maybe that would be the tipping point for attracting more new members to our hobby.

    And maybe it’s time for us to worry less about the proper markings on the back of trim rings (guilty!), and learn more about OBD II. This will enable us to better mentor new members who are interested in a newer generation Corvette.

    NCRS just added 1997-99 C5s and they offer a lot of performance and fun for the price. But C4s are absolute bargains. Because of their low market value, it makes no economic sense to restore them. But the time is right to preserve and enjoy them. Below are just a few examples of “ready for judging” cars I found on eBay today:

    1984 Coupe Z51 9,000 miles $12,900

    My notes: Very clean, looks pampered. Original leather looks great (one pic shows a seat cover- a sign of a pampered car). Still has its Gatorbacks with legal tread! Chassis photos show dry, original, undamaged components.

    1984 Coupe 3,400 miles $13,000

    Photos show a time capsule car. Repeat: Three thousand, four hundred miles! Ad says it all: “My Dad bought this car in 1989 with 2500 miles; have original classified ad and copy of original title. Driven less than 1000 miles in 26 years! Stored in heated garage. Only 3,490 original miles two tone tan/bronze with bronze leather interior, Crossfire injection, Auto, Goodyear eagle tires.”

    1986 Convertible 12,700 miles $16,975 obo

    Another time capsule car; even has the pace car decals. Interior, leather, top look near perfect. Do you remember the sensation when the convertible was back? Ad: “3rd owner, garage kept, original window sticker, rare 4+3 manual overdrive transmission, engine oil cooler, power windows, seats, door locks, aluminum heads. “

    1988 Coupe 8,850 miles $15,500 obo

    This car looks beautiful, original, and near perfect. Has the rare 4+3. Ad: “THIS IS A VERY LOW MILEAGE, ALL ORIGINAL 1988 CORVETTE COUPE. I AM THE SECOND PRIVATE OWNER, AND I PURCHASED IT FROM A VERY WELL KNOWN CLASSIC CAR DEALER IN NJ. THE FIRST OWNER HAD THE CAR FROM 1988 TO 2014 AND DROVE IT 7937 MILES. I PURCHASED IN NOVEMBER OF 2014 AND IT NOW HAS 8850 MILES. SOME OF THE OPTIONS; ELECTRONIC A/C, BOSE STEREO SYSTEM, Z52 SPORT PACKAGE, HD RADIATOR, ELECTRIC OUTSIDE MIRRORS, REAR DEFROSTER, DUAL REMOVEABLE ROOF PANLES, 4 SPEED MANUAL TRANS, CRUISE CONTROL, LEATHER SEATS.”

    Two 1996 Collector Edition Convertibles, 15,000 miles and 26,000 miles; each under $18,000.
    My note: Wow.

    1990 ZR-1 9,100 miles $25,000 obo.
    King of the Hill, baby! I owned one of these, and they are a hoot! This is a $65,000 MSRP car that's virtually un-driven and looks beautiful in the photos. Ad: "The car has had only one owner. It has low mileage 9107 and is clean inside. Also has never been in an accident. There is some chipped paint on the passenger side hood and mirror."

    ...Or you can get a '64 with half the power, no AC, no stereo, no cruise, a leaky rear main and over heats in traffic for twice the price. (Not to pick on you mid-year guys too much. )

    What a fun, affordable way to get into the hobby!
    Mark Edmondson
    Dallas, Texas
    Texas Chapter

    1970 Coupe, Donnybrooke Green, Light Saddle LS5 M20 A31 C60 G81 N37 N40 UA6 U79
    1993 Coupe, 40th Anniversary, 6-speed, PEG 1, FX3, CD, Bronze Top
  • Michael J.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • January 27, 2009
    • 7119

    #2
    Re: Welcome C4 and C5 Enthusiasts!

    Actually, you can also include the ignored red headed step children of the C3s, the '80-'82s in this category.

    An example:1981 Chevrolet Corvette Coupe T-Top. Low Mileage 26,547 miles, Carfax documented, Well Maintained with numerous newly replaced parts and components (Documented with Receipts), Garage Kept, Solid Southern Survivor, Nicely Optioned with all documents from new, window sticker, build sheet, all glove box documents, etc.This car is the 149th corvette to roll off the then brand new Bowling Green assembly line, was built the Second week of June 1981 and is #2 of only 450 two tone Beige/Bronze units. $15,900 OBO.

    Last edited by Michael J.; July 31, 2015, 10:53 AM.
    Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico

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    • Walter G.
      Very Frequent User
      • May 31, 1989
      • 166

      #3
      Re: Welcome C4 and C5 Enthusiasts!

      I'm the original owner of my 26,000 mile '84/Z51 and have been an NCRS member since '91 when I bought a '59. That car is gone and I currently have my '84 and a '14 C7. I am always searching on the forum for C4 posts but there are few. I agree they are not one to restore due to the economics involved but the sheer number of C4's sold says they were desirable cars at the time and are definitely affordable today. Mine has been Bloomington Gold certified, Survivor certified, BG Special Collection displayed, NCRS Regional Top Flight and participated in the Corvette Museum 100th anniversary of GM Motorama as well as the 60th anniversary event at the museum. I would welcome viewing more C4 activity on the forum but until the generation receives a bit more respect in the Corvette community as a whole I am not optimistic it will happen.
      Mike, I appreciate your efforts on this and hopefully we can see some results!

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      • Mark E.
        Extremely Frequent Poster
        • April 1, 1993
        • 4536

        #4
        Re: Welcome C4 and C5 Enthusiasts!

        Originally posted by Walter Grivna (15096)
        I'm the original owner of my 26,000 mile '84/Z51... Mine has been Bloomington Gold certified, Survivor certified, BG Special Collection displayed, NCRS Regional Top Flight and participated in the Corvette Museum 100th anniversary of GM Motorama as well as the 60th anniversary event at the museum.
        Walter,

        Sounds like you have a nice '84! Do you intend to go for the McLellan and Crossed Flags awards also?
        Mark Edmondson
        Dallas, Texas
        Texas Chapter

        1970 Coupe, Donnybrooke Green, Light Saddle LS5 M20 A31 C60 G81 N37 N40 UA6 U79
        1993 Coupe, 40th Anniversary, 6-speed, PEG 1, FX3, CD, Bronze Top

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        • Walter G.
          Very Frequent User
          • May 31, 1989
          • 166

          #5
          Re: Welcome C4 and C5 Enthusiasts!

          Probably at some point. The last several years it has been driven only about five hundred miles. I want to keep it roadworthy so try to take it out several times a month in the Summer. I keep seeing the ads for low mile '84's and other C4's like you posted and it's tempting to buy another one! At least these have minimal computer/electronics to cause trouble compared to the C6 on up.

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          • Paul S.
            Expired
            • December 13, 2013
            • 83

            #6

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            • Walter G.
              Very Frequent User
              • May 31, 1989
              • 166

              #7
              Re: Welcome C4 and C5 Enthusiasts!

              Congrats on your Top Flight award. I hope others will follow your example and restore some C4's. The hunt for certain correct parts is equally as challenging as that for the earlier models, plus not much available in repro at this time. I didn't buy mine with the idea of keeping it for 30+ years or low mileage either. After the first year I had over 5,000 miles on it. Shortly after 1985 came kids and other priorities. I bought an '89 as a 'driver', keeping the '84 low mileage and then several C5's, C6's, etc. followed. For some reason the '84 was one I couldn't let go of and now I definitely won't.

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              • Mark E.
                Extremely Frequent Poster
                • April 1, 1993
                • 4536

                #8
                Re: Welcome C4 and C5 Enthusiasts!

                Originally posted by Paul Schwack (59307)
                I'm not sure I agree with the statement, "Because of their low market value, it makes no economic sense to restore them. But the time is right to preserve and enjoy them. Below are just a few examples of “ready for judging” cars I found on eBay today:" Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think NCRS stands for National Corvette Preservation Society. The goal shouldn't be to just buy a nice low mileage C4 polish and detail it and run it through the system...
                Paul- The key phrase is "economic sense". It's heartening to see enthusiasts like yourself who will restore a car, regardless of economics, and still enjoy it. But the reality is C4s have low market value, and therefore few are restoring them. That means the current emphasis is preservation, which is critical to ensuring these cars are around for the long term.

                BTW, the NCRS mission statement says: "...dedicated to the restoration, preservation, history and enjoyment of Corvettes..." So it appeals to those who turn a wrench as well as those who "polish and detail." I like to do both.
                Last edited by Mark E.; July 31, 2015, 06:44 PM.
                Mark Edmondson
                Dallas, Texas
                Texas Chapter

                1970 Coupe, Donnybrooke Green, Light Saddle LS5 M20 A31 C60 G81 N37 N40 UA6 U79
                1993 Coupe, 40th Anniversary, 6-speed, PEG 1, FX3, CD, Bronze Top

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                • Mark H.
                  Expired
                  • September 18, 2013
                  • 241

                  #9
                  Re: Welcome C4 and C5 Enthusiasts!

                  I have been saying for awhile now that with C-4's it's "deja vu all over again." Reminds me of the mid-70s when we were out looking for mid-60s Stingrays or Shelby Mustangs, SS Camaros or Chevelles, Mustang GTs etc. They were considered just used cars, were reasonably priced, gave better performance than anything coming out of Detroit. The only difference is that now the cars coming out of Detroit give much better performance but if you're looking for bang for the buck you can't beat a C-4 with a stick. There's that other thread comparing a 2015 Toyota to a '65 Corvette. Maybe they should do a comparison between a 2015 Toyota and a '95 Corvette. I've got a pretty good idea who would win and it wouldn't be the car that once sat on the pier in Yokohama.

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                  • Mike E.
                    Very Frequent User
                    • June 24, 2012
                    • 920

                    #10
                    Re: Welcome C4 and C5 Enthusiasts!

                    I keep thinking the C4 ZR1's have hit rock bottom then I look again and see a better deal. This pretty sweet looking Black on Black with 11K miles for under $20,000.



                    You can't find many cars of any age with that few miles for under $20K, let alone the "King of the Hill".

                    Mike

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                    • Mark E.
                      Extremely Frequent Poster
                      • April 1, 1993
                      • 4536

                      #11
                      Re: Welcome C4 and C5 Enthusiasts!

                      Wow. Simply amazing.
                      Mark Edmondson
                      Dallas, Texas
                      Texas Chapter

                      1970 Coupe, Donnybrooke Green, Light Saddle LS5 M20 A31 C60 G81 N37 N40 UA6 U79
                      1993 Coupe, 40th Anniversary, 6-speed, PEG 1, FX3, CD, Bronze Top

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                      • Mike E.
                        Very Frequent User
                        • June 24, 2012
                        • 920

                        #12
                        Re: Welcome C4 and C5 Enthusiasts!

                        Originally posted by Mark Edmondson (22468)
                        Wow. Simply amazing.
                        I know...Maybe take a loan out on my 401K?...haha it would sure complement the red C5 Z06.

                        Mike

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                        • Paul M.
                          Expired
                          • June 12, 2012
                          • 83

                          #13
                          Re: Welcome C4 and C5 Enthusiasts!

                          All of your comments are very well taken. Paul I agree with your comments since our many phone conversations about our C4's will make your statements all true. As far as buying a clean car and running it thru the system is not true. I have one of those and the amount of work to bring the best out of the car is not easy. Those car parts don't wear out they rot out. Finding nos parts for C4's is real tough, not like older cars which parts are very easy to find. I took my C4 from a 58 point deduction at a regional to a 34 point deduction at the national this year and achieved the Hill Award. That wasn't easy. All in all all your comments are very well taken.

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                          • Paul S.
                            Expired
                            • December 13, 2013
                            • 83

                            #14
                            Re: Welcome C4 and C5 Enthusiasts!

                            The purpose of my previous comment is to start a dialog about the flip side of the coin…encourage and promote the restoration of C4’s. It’s VERY doable to restore a high mileage C4 to Top Flight condition without breaking the bank.

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                            • Paul M.
                              Expired
                              • June 12, 2012
                              • 83

                              #15
                              Re: Welcome C4 and C5 Enthusiasts!

                              Yes Paul and you are doing a great job. Most people would never attempt what you are doing. In the case of the c4's it's more of the preservation of the generation not the restoration.

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