If your car is invited as a Bowtie candidate for judging at the National, if you also want it flight judged, do you have to do that at the same National?
Bowtie and Flight judging
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I have always combined the Bowtie attempt with a Duntov attempt at National Convention's and that was always allowed and encouraged. Bowtie with a flight judge only is not anything I have ever seen or heard of. Dave Brigham will confirm that.- Top
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Thanks, so let me understand, are you saying Bowtie Judging and Flight judging at the same National has not been done unless the car is going for a Duntov?Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico- Top
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OK, thanks, it appears that is the way the judging guide defines it. So, if you want flight judging, that must be done at a regional when you get invited for Bowtie judging at a National, but then you are done unless you get 97+ in the regional Flight and pass PV, then and only then you can get Flight judged at a National as a Duntov candidate.Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico- Top
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OK, thanks, it appears that is the way the judging guide defines it. So, if you want flight judging, that must be done at a regional when you get invited for Bowtie judging at a National, but then you are done unless you get 97+ in the regional Flight and pass PV, then and only then you can get Flight judged at a National as a Duntov candidate.- Top
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Thanks that is a very helpful explanation. But it still seems a bit odd that you have no chance of getting a National Top Flight Award on a Bowtie car unless you get 97 and a PV, so I guess a 96 at a regional is just not something they want to recognize and mess with at a National.Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico- Top
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Thanks that is a very helpful explanation. But it still seems a bit odd that you have no chance of getting a National Top Flight Award on a Bowtie car unless you get 97 and a PV, so I guess a 96 at a regional is just not something they want to recognize and mess with at a National.
My 1972 received its Regional Top Flight in 2003 followed by a National Top Flight in Hershey in 2003, then its Bowtie in Windsor in 2004. I don't think it will quite make the 97% required for Duntov, but it has all 3 levels of Top Flight plus the 5 Star Bowtie.
FYI, I drove it to its Regional Award and Bowtie Award.Vice-Chairman (West), Michigan Chapter NCRS
71 "deer modified" coupe
72 5-Star Bowtie / Duntov coupe. https://www.flickr.com/photos/124695...57649252735124
2008 coupe
Available stickers: Engine suffix code, exhaust tips & mufflers, shocks, AIR diverter valve broadcast code.- Top
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Oh, OK, now I see how you could also get a National Top Flight too with a Bowtie car, thanks!Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico- Top
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I believe the combined Flight/Bowtie Judging is also to help eliminate the chances of damaging the originality of the Bowtie car. If judged separately the likelihood of original parts being "improved/changed " for a higher Flight number is very high!- Top
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Yes, that all makes perfect sense.Big Tanks In the High Mountains of New Mexico- Top
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Or you need the approval of the Team Leader. That is the other way to do it to verify that the owner doesn't "de-Bowtie" the car.Vice-Chairman (West), Michigan Chapter NCRS
71 "deer modified" coupe
72 5-Star Bowtie / Duntov coupe. https://www.flickr.com/photos/124695...57649252735124
2008 coupe
Available stickers: Engine suffix code, exhaust tips & mufflers, shocks, AIR diverter valve broadcast code.- Top
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One should also understand that if the Bowtie is completed before the Duntov attempt, the Bowtie Award is at risk during Duntov judging if it is determined the originality of the car has been altered since it was Bowtie judged. That is another reason why the preferred method is to attempt both awards at the same convention = less stress on everyone involved.Terry- Top
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One should also understand that if the Bowtie is completed before the Duntov attempt, the Bowtie Award is at risk during Duntov judging if it is determined the originality of the car has been altered since it was Bowtie judged. That is another reason why the preferred method is to attempt both awards at the same convention = less stress on everyone involved.- Top
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