Mid year interior disputes

[Keith B.]

At the last judging meet a interior judge pointed out the top staples are installed backwards that the bent tabs should be on top. Where mine are on the inside. I have anther untouched liner where the bent tab is on the inside as well. Also the AIM shows the staple tabs on the inside as well. Where is the judge getting his info?

Also they said for 1967 AC cars the headlight roll over switch should be moved inboard. In my AIM there is only one page under C60 instructing to move the switch. And in of the middle of the page it big bold print it says canceled. So where else would it say to move it?

[Patrick H.]

Re: Mid year interior disputes

Keith,

Now you know froom firsthand experience that judges make mistakes, and you should never change your car from what you believe is original just because one judge said X. If you think that both items are original and correct, leave them alone.

Patrick

[Keith B.]

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I have no intention of changing the car. I'm just asking where they got there info. He said its in the JM. I make my last decision based on the AIM and unrestored cars. I know my copy of the AIM is at least twenty years old and has duplicate pages but can't say if any pages got lost along the way. And when I see unrestored cars that are few and fair between it seems I forget to take pictures of small things like this.

[Leif A.]

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At the last judging meet a interior judge pointed out the top staples are installed backwards that the bent tabs should be on top. Where mine are on the inside. I have anther untouched liner where the bent tab is on the inside as well. Also the AIM shows the staple tabs on the inside as well. Where is the judge getting his info?

Also they said for 1967 AC cars the headlight roll over switch should be moved inboard. In my AIM there is only one page under C60 instructing to move the switch. And in of the middle of the page it big bold print it says canceled. So where else would it say to move it?

Keith,

This is a correct statement. If you refer to the latest (5th) edition of the TIM&JG on page 33 it states "The headlight motor operating switch is mounted in the far left slot on the bottom of the instrument cluster on non A/C cars and on the inboard slot on air-conditioned cars." See picture below (disregard the incorrect attaching screws, correct ones are being sourced).

[Keith B.]

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Leif read my whole statement. In my copy of the AIM there is no page saying to do that in the C60 section. I want to know where in the AIM it is. If my AIM is missing that page and it does call to move it I will. I have a page in the AIM to move it but it says canceled. The car was built in June.

[Leif A.]

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Keith,
I read your whole statement. I know from reading your posts on both this forum, as well as, the CF that you live and die by the AIM. The TIM&JG which you so readily disregard is in it's 5th edition and been written by truly knowledgeable, hands on folks in our hobby who have personally witnessed Bowtie cars and used them as a reference point. To dismiss this publications so off handedly is a slap in the face to all those who have spent untold hours compiling. The page I believe you're referring to in the AIM, UPC C60, E7 DOES show "cancelled" but that is for the air vent control cable which was NOT installed on A/C equipped cars...hence, the page was cancelled. I'm not going to sit here and lecture a 30 year old on how to act but if you come onto a forum and ask for opinions/answers and you don't get the response you want then maybe you might try obtaining your facts elsewhere.

[Keith B.]

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I do value the judging manual it's a very valuable resource that I refer to a lot. But I'm baffled how you come to the conclusion that when the page says canceled that the switch needs to be moved. I'm asking for help here from unrestored cars that you can prove that's where it belongs.

There have been way to many cars that changed the orginal parts and configuration because of errors in the judging guide.

and sorry if I came off to hostile.

[Leif A.]

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Keith,
The conclusion is based on the very page you keep referring to (as well as the info in the TIM&JG). Look again at the UPC C60, E7 page, lower left corner titled "air conditioning-air vent control cable". That is what this page was originally written for and then cancelled because the '67 with A/C does not have this control cable. If you look, further, at the drawing you can see the positioning of the headlamp switch positioned just to the right of the hood release handle. This position wasn't cancelled by this page JUST the air vent control cable. The non A/C cars would have had the switch to the left of the hood release handle. Hostility forgiven. I assure you this is correct.

[Keith B.]

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Leif that sounds like a possibility but I would like to hear from someone who helped write the JM or bought a 67 AC car brand new and still owns it

[Mike M.]

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Keith: i took a 67 300 hp c-60 coupe thur bow tie judging years ago(it got the 4 stars then the bow tie a year later). i also own a 64 365 hp c-60 coupe--have owned it since 1970.i also owned a 67 390 c-60 coupe. all 3 c-60 coupes had the switches as leif describes(inboard slot). this fact was established in the easily 1980's by many c-2 judges . mike

[Keith B.]

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Thanks Mike.

anyone care to chime in on the glove box liner

[Patrick H.]

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Leif read my whole statement. In my copy of the AIM there is no page saying to do that in the C60 section. I want to know where in the AIM it is. If my AIM is missing that page and it does call to move it I will. I have a page in the AIM to move it but it says canceled. The car was built in June.

Keith,

The AIMs we have are helpful but not absolute.
There are pages missing compared to the originals as well as additions and subtractions. If you have a chance please search through Art Armstrong's posts on the subject for specific details.
In addition, the photos in the AIM are often not correct on details. I know that seems contrary to fact but it's true.

Use the JG plus original cars plus AIM (likely in that order based on access to cars) to guide you along the way.

Patrick

[Brian M.]

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I have had the H/L switch on my 67 A/C car in both locations. Currently in the left position. In order to be in the inboard position a tab had to be removed from the cluster housing.