Dead nuts correct paint codes, 63??

[Donald A.]

All

always want to learn and the paint thing seems to be a bit of a mystery and personal guess.

Is is there a dead nuts on correct paint code for 1963 Silver Blue that is established and universally accepted by NCRS?

or is my question not a simple one?

thanks all

[Harry S.]

Re: Dead nuts correct paint codes, 63??

I'm away for Christmas but I think it's 912. It's on the trim tag.

i have a 35 year old lacquer paint job on my 63 and tryin to match that with today's lacquer is next to impossible. I need to do some touching up.

[Donald A.]

Re: Dead nuts correct paint codes, 63??

Harry;

Thanks for the reply. I understand the 912 but what I'm talking about is a current accepted paint code from one of the big companies like PPG etc.

I've seen/heard discussion about the metallic and the difficulty of getting them right. Most today seem to be doing a base/clear but trying to get the correct original look.

I've been told my car is pretty close. No history on how long ago it was painted or with what exactly but looking at the bonding strips I might be able to buy the notion that it has only been painted once.

That got me thinking, if I ever wanted to repaint I shouldn't just have a match made off what is on there but rather do some research and comparisons of others or find the "standard"

See pic

[Harry S.]

Re: Dead nuts correct paint codes, 63??

Don, it's a combination of what 912 the source has plus extra tints and a vey slow reducer. I'm working with a supplier in Wisconsin, they have blended a 912 for me but its a bit off the 912 on my car. They sent me a pint with some tint. My painter will take their 912, add tint then we will do test sprays to get a match. You need a vey slow reducer to get today's lacquer to flow properly after spraying.

ill update this thread when I get a match

[Terry M.]

Re: Dead nuts correct paint codes, 63??

Don, it's a combination of what 912 the source has plus extra tints and a vey slow reducer. I'm working with a supplier in Wisconsin, they have blended a 912 for me but its a bit off the 912 on my car. They sent me a pint with some tint. My painter will take their 912, add tint then we will do test sprays to get a match. You need a vey slow reducer to get today's lacquer to flow properly after spraying.

ill update this thread when I get a match

Harry
You are on the right track. One has to have a known original paint example (that is what Bow Tie cars are for) and shoot test panels to get the right hue. It takes a painter with loads or patience and a paint supplier similarly inclined. One then has to paint the parts assembled just like the factory did, and one has to shot it as casually as the original GM employees did.

There is no way one will achieve success using a formula like: "5 parts of mixing blend A and 3 parts of blend B and so on." Every paint manufacturer's mixing stock is different, and even the same manufacturer has different blends at different times.

[Michael J.]

[Donald A.]

Re: Dead nuts correct paint codes, 63??

Nothing worse than the subjective stuff when it comes to judging...

[Patrick H.]

Re: Dead nuts correct paint codes, 63??

I have been told that the only sure way to escape losing points in flight judging on paint is to have one of the two paint gurus do your car. Not sure it is true, but………..

And to do this what works is to call John Ballard and have him help you work up a paint mix.
He is very willing to do this, and as another judge once said...then John can't deduct for your paint later on if he helped you come up with the mix.

[Steven S.]

Re: Dead nuts correct paint codes, 63??

If John has prior knowledge of the car/. Help match paint, I believe rules state he can not judge that car.

[Edward J.]

Re: Dead nuts correct paint codes, 63??

Don, I am sure you will be over whelmed when it comes to painting your car, I can tell you finding someone to measure and mix the paint exactly the same as the factory did might be hard as even the factory mixes paint in batches and your not likely to find the exact mixture to your car .As Harry says test panels is the only way to match. I can tell you that under the windshield pillar posts, there is likely some original factory paint as this is one of the areas that does not see sunlight so the original color will still be there and this is were I would start. Also Note that as you eluded to the flake in todays paints is to big. and might have a hard time getting this correct. The bright side to it all is if your painting the complete car the color can be slightly off as paint chips are not generally used when judging. Judges like John Ballard know the correct color when they see the car and every detail that goes with the correct look of the paint.

[Tracy C.]

Re: Dead nuts correct paint codes, 63??

If John .......... Help match paint, I believe rules state he can not judge that car.

Partially correct....If John or (anyone else for that matter) mixes or applys the paint, they should not judge the car. Prior knowledge alone does prevent a judge from judging a car.

[Michael W.]

Re: Dead nuts correct paint codes, 63??

If John has prior knowledge of the car/. Help match paint, I believe rules state he can not judge that car.

Only if said knowledge influences the judge's application of the rules and procedures.

[Terry M.]

Re: Dead nuts correct paint codes, 63??

If John has prior knowledge of the car/. Help match paint, I believe rules state he can not judge that car.

guys
Here is the way if a judge has had involvement in a car presented for judging works.

If a judge finds him or herself faced with a car they have been involved with they are obligated to inform the National Team Leader. If it is a Chapter meet where the National Team Leader is not present they are to inform the Meet Judging Chairman. A discussion about the nature of the involvement ensues. The National Team Leader or Meet Judging Chairman then makes the decision how to proceed. In most cases that decision is reached amicably with that judge. In the cases I have personally been involved (both as judge and as National Team Leader) the question "Can you impartially judge the car?" usually comes up. At a regional or National meet the National Judging Chairman often becomes involved as another point of view.

I have been NTL when a judge came to me and stated they did not want to judge the car because of prior knowledge or a conflict of interest, and in those cases no discussion resulted. Another judge was found.

So to my knowledge there is no hard and fast rule, but there is an obligation on the part of the judge to disclose any potential conflict.

[Bill W.]

Re: Dead nuts correct paint codes, 63??

Donald There is no such thing as a dead nuts on correct paint . The factory used a high solids lacquer sprayed through a pressure gun . then it went through a reflow oven that heated the paint to level it out and help dry it . The lacquer used was air dry . On a metallic color like your silver blue the metallic flakes were pointing all directions when sprayed that gives it the sparkle . When it is reflowed the metallic flattens or levels out changing the reflection and that can change the color a little . So the best you can do is try to match the color on untouched part of your car . BC CC even with the correct size metallic (Dupont) will not have the metallic suspended correctly . Also clearcoat makes the color darker .The more coats of clear the darker it will be ,The side tones being even darker . I was a painter/bodyman for 40+years even when new many colors could not be matched without a blend into the next panel .Bill

[Steve M.]

Re: Dead nuts correct paint codes, 63??

My observation of the judging process is that you would be better served concentrating on the size of metallic, overspray in the right places, thin in others, rough in the door jambs, than the shade the shade of the paint.