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  • Joe L.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • February 1, 1988
    • 43219

    OEM versus Aftermarket

    From time-to-time the subject comes up here of the difference between OEM and aftermarket parts. Some seem to think that in today's world, where GM has ceased to manufacture most components and Delco is nothing more than a marketing organization, the parts supplied from major automotive suppliers are the same as those supplied in GM or Delco branded boxes. In some cases, this is true. However, this usually applies only to Delco-branded parts of "Professional" or lower grade. Delco OEM product line parts or those procured through the GM parts system are OEM quality parts and are usually different than aftermarket or Delco "Professional" or lower-graded parts.

    It is true that the major automotive suppliers like Federal-Mogul, Dana-Spicer, DELPHI, and many others are the manufacturers of OEM GM and OEM Delco parts. However, I believe that the aftermarket parts sold under these brands are, in most cases, different than those manufactured for OEM. In fact, I think they are often manufactured in completely different manufacturing operations and plants.

    For sure, this is a very complicated area and I can't possibly get into all the nuances of it here. However, here is an example of just what I'm talking about:

    The flat tappet hydraulic lifters applicable to most 1955-86 small block and big block applications are GM #5232720 also known as Delco HL66. These are OEM quality lifters. This lifter carries a GM list price of $16.49 and a Delco list price of about the same. The Federal-Mogul/Sealed Power lifter for the same applications is their number HT-817. It carries a list price of about $10. Think they're the same? Think the GM or Delco branding is solely what the additional cost is all about? I don't think so. Pictured below are both a GM #5232720 and a Sealed Power HT-817. No way are these the same parts. Yes, they are equally functional (they would obviously have to be) but there is a quality difference. That you can't see. You can see the configuration differences, albeit slight, that absolutely confirm these are NOT the same part in different boxes. That's reinforced by the fact the GM/Delco is made in USA and the Sealed Power is made in Mexico (don't get to think that's what makes the difference between OEM and aftermarket, though, as sometimes the OEM quality part will be of non USA origin and the aftermarket quality will be of USA origin). Also, these are not parts manufactured in different eras; I purchased both of these today out of dealer stock.

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    In Appreciation of John Hinckley
  • Joe L.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • February 1, 1988
    • 43219

    #2
    Re: OEM versus Aftermarket

    A few more:

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    • Joe L.
      Beyond Control Poster
      • February 1, 1988
      • 43219

      #3
      Re: OEM versus Aftermarket

      One more:


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      • Bill W.
        Extremely Frequent Poster
        • March 1, 1980
        • 2000

        #4
        Re: OEM versus Aftermarket

        Joe in the body repair business many of the aftermarket parts That most of the insurance co. forced us to use were poor at best. They looked bad fit bad and were very poorly made .
        Last edited by Bill W.; August 19, 2014, 08:43 PM.

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        • Duke W.
          Beyond Control Poster
          • January 1, 1993
          • 15667

          #5
          Re: OEM versus Aftermarket

          Is it possible those lifters you bought from dealer stock have been there for 20 years? I notice the copywrite on the box is 1995. I doubt many people buy lifters from GMPD nowadays, so they could have some old GM manufactured lifters still in the system.

          Maybe it's like the '57-'66 small block valve springs that you have previously stated are still available from GM at a jaw dropping price. I don't even recommend them for rebuilts on those years. The second design 3911068 are slightly higher seat pressure and rate, and the F-M equivalent VS677 cost about 20 bucks for a set of 16.

          Duke

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          • Jack H.
            Very Frequent User
            • April 1, 2000
            • 477

            #6
            Re: OEM versus Aftermarket

            Originally posted by Duke Williams (22045)
            Is it possible those lifters you bought from dealer stock have been there for 20 years? I notice the copywrite on the box is 1995. I doubt many people buy lifters from GMPD nowadays, so they could have some old GM manufactured lifters still in the system.

            Maybe it's like the '57-'66 small block valve springs that you have previously stated are still available from GM at a jaw dropping price. I don't even recommend them for rebuilts on those years. The second design 3911068 are slightly higher seat pressure and rate, and the F-M equivalent VS677 cost about 20 bucks for a set of 16.

            Duke
            How many sets do you have available at that price???

            But, point taken.

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            • Joe L.
              Beyond Control Poster
              • February 1, 1988
              • 43219

              #7
              Re: OEM versus Aftermarket

              Originally posted by Duke Williams (22045)
              Is it possible those lifters you bought from dealer stock have been there for 20 years? I notice the copywrite on the box is 1995. I doubt many people buy lifters from GMPD nowadays, so they could have some old GM manufactured lifters still in the system.

              Maybe it's like the '57-'66 small block valve springs that you have previously stated are still available from GM at a jaw dropping price. I don't even recommend them for rebuilts on those years. The second design 3911068 are slightly higher seat pressure and rate, and the F-M equivalent VS677 cost about 20 bucks for a set of 16.

              Duke

              Duke-------


              These lifters came from a Delco dealer that does quite a high volume of business, mostly in Delco parts. I really doubt that these have been in their inventory for 20 years. They might have been around for a few years but I doubt more than that. The copyright date doesn't mean too much. I've seen copyright dates like this on popular AC filter models at Walmart. I know they haven't been in their inventory for 20 years.

              Also, the configuration of the Delco lifter is exactly as seen on the AC Delco web-site.

              By the way, I would expect that if GM starts selling the Federal-Mogul HT817 lifters in Delco boxes, they will change the GM part number, move the part from the Delco OEM product line to Delco "Professional" product line and, possibly, even discontinue it from the GM parts system.
              Last edited by Joe L.; August 19, 2014, 09:06 PM. Reason: add last paragraph
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              • Joe R.
                Extremely Frequent Poster
                • May 31, 2006
                • 1822

                #8
                Re: OEM versus Aftermarket

                Hi Joe,

                Do you think the Delco lifter is better in any way than the Sealed Power part? If so, would there be an advantage to running the Delco lifter with a Sealed power camshaft? I assume the GM 3863143 camshaft for a L72 (66 427 / 425) is made out of unobtanium.

                Joe

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                • Duke W.
                  Beyond Control Poster
                  • January 1, 1993
                  • 15667

                  #9
                  Re: OEM versus Aftermarket

                  Originally posted by Jack Hengehold (33879)
                  How many sets do you have available at that price???

                  But, point taken.

                  ...none for sale, and none in inventory. I have't checked prices lately, but I do remember seeing VS677 offered on the Web for not much more than a buck a piece a few years ago.

                  Duke

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                  • Joe L.
                    Beyond Control Poster
                    • February 1, 1988
                    • 43219

                    #10
                    Re: OEM versus Aftermarket

                    Originally posted by Joe Raine (45823)
                    Hi Joe,

                    Do you think the Delco lifter is better in any way than the Sealed Power part? If so, would there be an advantage to running the Delco lifter with a Sealed power camshaft? I assume the GM 3863143 camshaft for a L72 (66 427 / 425) is made out of unobtanium.

                    Joe

                    Joe------


                    The lifter I was referring to is an hydraulic lifter. The GM #3863143 camshaft requires a mechanical lifter. GM has not had available a mechanical lifter in many years.

                    Do I think the GM hydraulic lifter I mentioned is of better quality than the Sealed Power hydraulic lifter? Yes, I do. The GM lifter is OEM; the Sealed Power is aftermarket.
                    In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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                    • Ian G.
                      Extremely Frequent Poster
                      • September 3, 2007
                      • 1114

                      #11
                      Re: OEM versus Aftermarket

                      aside from possible differences in machining thresholds that are impossible to see with bare eyes, it looks like the GM one has a thicker one-piece retaining wire, while the sealed power has two thinner retaining wires, but my eyes may be deceiving me. the OEM one has the extra machined line; maybe the same purpose as the two parallel ridges on the sealed power?

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