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  • Mike F.
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    • April 25, 2011
    • 668

    Judging opinion - Original vs Repro?

    Wanted opinions on what would judge better, the worn originals on the left or the TRIM repro's on the right? (The different shade of red/white/black on the repro's is do to lighting/camera angle. They look similar in hand.)

    TIA,
    Mike

  • Joe R.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • July 31, 1976
    • 4550

    #2
    Re: Judging opinion - Original vs Repro?

    First of all I believe you will find that the ones on the left are not really worn originals placed on the Corvette at St. Louis but were sold in the 70's as replacements by GM across the counter. The color is no where like originals placed on the Corvette in St. Louis.
    I would score all of those at "0" for originality! None are originals!

    JR

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    • Mike F.
      Expired
      • April 25, 2011
      • 668

      #3
      Re: Judging opinion - Original vs Repro?

      Originally posted by Joe Ray (1011)
      First of all I believe you will find that the ones on the left are not really worn originals placed on the Corvette at St. Louis but were sold in the 70's as replacements by GM across the counter. The color is no where like originals placed on the Corvette in St. Louis.
      I would score all of those at "0" for originality! None are originals!

      JR
      This is the reverse of both. Perhaps you could provide a picture of an original to help me out.



      The manufacturing mark of the left flag says "General Detroit".

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      • Alan S.
        Extremely Frequent Poster
        • July 31, 1989
        • 3415

        #4
        Re: Judging opinion - Original vs Repro?

        Hi Mike,
        The original emblem from my 71 displays the darker red, (bloodier?), that the emblem on the left in your picture displays.
        It, too, has the 'General Detroit' Logo.
        In addition, the original emblem is noticeably thinner and more tapered than the very 'pretty' reproduction I have, especially in the area where the staffs cross.
        Also notice the difference in the size of the contact area were the fold in the flag touches the staff.
        Regards,
        Alan
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        Last edited by Alan S.; August 2, 2014, 09:20 AM.
        71 Coupe, 350/270, 4 speed
        Mason Dixon Chapter
        Chapter Top Flight October 2011

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        • Joe R.
          Extremely Frequent Poster
          • July 31, 1976
          • 4550

          #5
          Re: Judging opinion - Original vs Repro?

          I'm getting a little confused here as the back side shown are of a nose emblem and a gas lid door emblem. Which one are we talking about.
          I'm old here! Help me out!

          JR

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          • Alan S.
            Extremely Frequent Poster
            • July 31, 1989
            • 3415

            #6
            71 Coupe, 350/270, 4 speed
            Mason Dixon Chapter
            Chapter Top Flight October 2011

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            • Rob M.
              Very Frequent User
              • April 30, 2003
              • 657

              #7
              Re: Judging opinion - Original vs Repro?

              Hey Mike,

              Even if JR is correct (hopefully he isn't judging your car), using the most current judging standards you "might" expect to lose 20% for configuration and 20% for finish on the originality column and then could earn condition points too. If it scored "0" for originality, then you lose all condition as well.

              FWIW
              Rob

              '66 327/300 Regional Top Flt
              '08 6 speed coupe

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              • Joe R.
                Extremely Frequent Poster
                • July 31, 1976
                • 4550

                #8
                Re: Judging opinion - Original vs Repro?

                Alan,

                Was referring to the back side of the two in Mikes pic. One has studs and the other has acorn nuts.

                JR

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                • Mike F.
                  Expired
                  • April 25, 2011
                  • 668

                  #9
                  Re: Judging opinion - Original vs Repro?

                  Originally posted by Joe Ray (1011)
                  Alan,

                  Was referring to the back side of the two in Mikes pic. One has studs and the other has acorn nuts.

                  JR
                  The pics of the reverse side are of the emblems which I thought were originals (the ones on the left in my first post). The gas cap emblem uses acorn nuts, the front emblem uses studs with speed nuts.
                  The front emblem has "General Detroit" on it which seems to align with what Alan has.

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                  • Mike F.
                    Expired
                    • April 25, 2011
                    • 668

                    #10
                    Re: Judging opinion - Original vs Repro?

                    Originally posted by Rob Myrick (39795)
                    Hey Mike,

                    Even if JR is correct (hopefully he isn't judging your car), using the most current judging standards you "might" expect to lose 20% for configuration and 20% for finish on the originality column and then could earn condition points too. If it scored "0" for originality, then you lose all condition as well.

                    FWIW
                    I too hope JR doesn't judge my car (ouch). I've had times when different 400 Level Judges have looked at the same item, one gives it the thumbs up, the other the thumbs down. It's all a crapshoot.
                    Last edited by Mike F.; August 2, 2014, 06:32 PM.

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                    • Tracy C.
                      Expired
                      • July 31, 2003
                      • 2739

                      #11
                      Re: Judging opinion - Original vs Repro?

                      Originally posted by Mike Furline (53259)
                      Wanted opinions on what would judge better, the worn originals on the left or the TRIM repro's on the right? (The different shade of red/white/black on the repro's is do to lighting/camera angle. They look similar in hand.)

                      TIA,
                      Mike



                      Providing the color of red is the same as you state. I would expect no deduct on the repop and perhaps as much as 25% on condition of the originals due to paint chips.

                      I doubt if the exterior judges will see a difference on the car. I can barely detect any difference (other than the red) in your side by side picture.

                      Originalilty of the judged parts are based on these critiria:

                      Configuration = 20% (of availible points for the item)
                      Date = 20%
                      Completeness = 20%
                      Installation = 20%
                      Finish = 20%

                      Deducting just because it is not an original or a repop is a "No No"

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                      • Edward J.
                        Extremely Frequent Poster
                        • September 15, 2008
                        • 6940

                        #12
                        Re: Judging opinion - Original vs Repro?

                        Mike, At one time there was some one that use to re-finish the painted areas on the flags, It was on the discussion board It was being talked about, Maybe someone will see the post that remembers who it is. If you take a look at Alan's pic closely you'll also note that the original emblems had a casting the was not smooth as the reproductions and this goes for most of the 68 through 72 emblems and that goes for the the words C O R V E T T E in the rear. And as far as the Red goes who really knows the correct color red, If your car was parked in a garage all its life and never saw sunlight then may you might be one of a few. I think the GM replacement ones were a darker red but the originals were more of a true red ??
                        New England chapter member, 63 Convert. 327/340- Chapter/Regional/national Top Flight, 72 coupe- chapter and regional Top Flight.

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                        • Ron G.
                          Very Frequent User
                          • December 1, 1984
                          • 865

                          #13
                          Re: Judging opinion - Original vs Repro?

                          We had this discussion on the board before and I personally have incorporated it into the judging revision for a possible future new 70 - 72 JM. The biggest difference is the shade of red. Like Alan mentioned, the originals are of a darker or blood color red as opposed to the repros which which are bright red. My opinion besides any other deviations that may exist is there would be minor point deduction on oirigiality becasuse of it's finish. I would rather lose condition points than originalty points.
                          "SOLID LIFTERS MATTER"

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                          • Gene M.
                            Extremely Frequent Poster
                            • April 1, 1985
                            • 4232

                            #14
                            Re: Judging opinion - Original vs Repro?

                            The red color on the two right side flags in Mikes original posting looks good for a '65 and '67 Corvette. A bit bright on the top one, but not bad. It seems the repro producers gave more attention to the demands of the mid year cars.........

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                            • Terry M.
                              Beyond Control Poster
                              • September 30, 1980
                              • 15596

                              #15
                              Re: Judging opinion - Original vs Repro?

                              Originally posted by Gene Manno (8571)
                              The red color on the two right side flags in Mikes original posting looks good for a '65 and '67 Corvette. A bit bright on the top one, but not bad. It seems the repro producers gave more attention to the demands of the mid year cars.........
                              No surprise there Gene. That is why for years we had reproduction chrome oil fill caps with both the S and SMC logo. C3s only have the S.
                              Terry

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