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  • Duke W.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • January 1, 1993
    • 15657

    #16
    Re: Here we go again!

    I believe the note (IN BOLD FACE TYPE) in the '63 shop manual was meant to refer only to FI distibutors, but it does not say this. Anecdotal evidence does suggest that the FI distributors where shimmed up to that spec when they were built.

    On lower revving engines the sloppy end play is okay and might not cause any bad effects, but on high revving SHP engines the end play can lead to point bounce and premature ignition breakup. As Clem says, I believe that snug end play will also improve the life of the tach drive cross gear. There's just no need to have the distributor shaft jumping up and down, and I can't imagine that it serves any useful purpose and suspect it may be detrimental.

    I had never heard of ANY distributor or cross gear problems that resulted from shimming up the end play, and based on my own experience, shimming up the end play to the two to seven thou spec will result is better distributor operation and no ill affects.

    No doubt in production it took extra time to measure and shim the end play to the tight spec on FI distributors, but they apparently just let the others slide. I can tell you from my own experience that the as built single point distributor rarely allowed my SHP engine to rev cleanly over 5000, and that's why I bought a TI in '68, but after it took a dive on me twice I reinstalled the single point in '75. At that time I had learned the secrets of how to make the single point function properly, and part of this was to shim up the end play IAW the '63 shop manual note.

    Duke

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    • Duke W.
      Beyond Control Poster
      • January 1, 1993
      • 15657

      #17
      Re: Here we go again!

      I believe the note (IN BOLD FACE TYPE) in the '63 shop manual was meant to refer only to FI distibutors, but it does not say this. Anecdotal evidence does suggest that the FI distributors where shimmed up to that spec when they were built.

      On lower revving engines the sloppy end play is okay and might not cause any bad effects, but on high revving SHP engines the end play can lead to point bounce and premature ignition breakup. As Clem says, I believe that snug end play will also improve the life of the tach drive cross gear. There's just no need to have the distributor shaft jumping up and down, and I can't imagine that it serves any useful purpose and suspect it may be detrimental.

      I had never heard of ANY distributor or cross gear problems that resulted from shimming up the end play, and based on my own experience, shimming up the end play to the two to seven thou spec will result is better distributor operation and no ill affects.

      No doubt in production it took extra time to measure and shim the end play to the tight spec on FI distributors, but they apparently just let the others slide. I can tell you from my own experience that the as built single point distributor rarely allowed my SHP engine to rev cleanly over 5000, and that's why I bought a TI in '68, but after it took a dive on me twice I reinstalled the single point in '75. At that time I had learned the secrets of how to make the single point function properly, and part of this was to shim up the end play IAW the '63 shop manual note.

      Duke

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      • Clem Z.
        Expired
        • January 1, 2006
        • 9427

        #18
        PS

        if GM did not want you to shim it to a close tolerance why did they sell those thin shims ?

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        • Clem Z.
          Expired
          • January 1, 2006
          • 9427

          #19
          PS

          if GM did not want you to shim it to a close tolerance why did they sell those thin shims ?

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          • Ed Jennings

            #20
            Re: PS

            Anyone got the connections to get a definative answer from Chevy powertrain folks?

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            • Ed Jennings

              #21
              Re: PS

              Anyone got the connections to get a definative answer from Chevy powertrain folks?

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              • John H.
                Beyond Control Poster
                • December 1, 1997
                • 16513

                #22
                Re: Here we go again!

                I have Chevy Shop Manuals back to 1953, and in all of them from '55 on up to '69 (the most recent I need), V-8 distributor end play is spec'd at .002"-.007", and stayed that way until they quit using distributors. The original distributor in my '69 Z/28 is set up with .005" end play, with 28-32 oz. points, stock coil and plug wires, and it howls to 6500+ regularly with no problems and no misses. Set up right, stock distributors work just fine

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                • John H.
                  Beyond Control Poster
                  • December 1, 1997
                  • 16513

                  #23
                  Re: Here we go again!

                  I have Chevy Shop Manuals back to 1953, and in all of them from '55 on up to '69 (the most recent I need), V-8 distributor end play is spec'd at .002"-.007", and stayed that way until they quit using distributors. The original distributor in my '69 Z/28 is set up with .005" end play, with 28-32 oz. points, stock coil and plug wires, and it howls to 6500+ regularly with no problems and no misses. Set up right, stock distributors work just fine

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                  • Dale Pearman

                    #24
                    Shim It To 0.006 Inches!

                    Period! End of discussion! This scientific information offered by 25 years of EXPERIENCE. There isn't anything else to talk about.

                    Dale.

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                    • Dale Pearman

                      #25
                      Shim It To 0.006 Inches!

                      Period! End of discussion! This scientific information offered by 25 years of EXPERIENCE. There isn't anything else to talk about.

                      Dale.

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                      • Clem Z.
                        Expired
                        • January 1, 2006
                        • 9427

                        #26
                        Re: Shim It To 0.006 Inches!

                        dale would you stop beating around the bush with your answer,please tell us what you think, we are all waiting !!!

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                        • Clem Z.
                          Expired
                          • January 1, 2006
                          • 9427

                          #27
                          Re: Shim It To 0.006 Inches!

                          dale would you stop beating around the bush with your answer,please tell us what you think, we are all waiting !!!

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