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  • Richard M.
    Super Moderator
    • August 31, 1988
    • 11323

    63 SWC #9664 ID Numbers & more.....

    Hi All,

    Thanks for all of the support and kind words. We're really enjoying the car. My wife stares at it all the time. I tell her to get to work on it but she won't listen.:-)

    We've been busy all day tinkering with the car. Yesterday we gave it a good scrubbing after the 800 mile haul back home. Wife worked the chrome while I started buffing out the paint. Paint appears to be a older repaint as I saw traces of overspray in a few places. Many little chips and some cracking, so hopefully some touch-up will match. It's silver blue.

    The chrome is nearly in original condition, shiney and the typical look of 60's GM chrome with hardly any hazing or pitting. After she used the chrome polish we were amazed. The seats are in very good condition. The black carpets have faded to a dark tan color. Also found a few odd wiring issues. The 2 prong plug going to the alternator is always powered, draining the battery. The seller included a wiring booklet so I'll figure that out soon. Today I worked on the engine, replacing valve cover gaskets to fix some oil leaks. Had to cut down the phillips screws as they were bottoming out. Found lots of original hardware, wiring, etc. It even has what appears as original spring ring battery terminals, black positive, brown negative, that right?

    I spent some time underneath looking at everything. There are many original bolts on the underside of the engine. It appears it was never out of the car. I was told the transmission was rebuilt not that long ago, and that it's original to the car. The frame is very good, with paint on most of it. An oily film is on it which has protected it. Must've been those leaky valve covers for a long time. There is a rust area at he lower birdcage in front of the left rear wheel that I spotted in the inspection. Will need some attention. Right side is fine in that area. Decided 4 new tires will be best as there's checking on both right tires, likely parked in the sun for a period. Found an original BF Goodrich Silvertown 1" WW in the spare tire well. Very old. No jack or tools though, argh!

    I've had some folks asking me for numbers and data. Here's the lowdown:

    ID#- 80837S109664 (I estimated Feb 27,1963)
    Mileage- 67,488, title verified mileage, speedo/odometer works
    Block- 3782870
    Block Cast- B123 (Feb 12, 1963)
    Assy Stamp- 3109664 F0218SD (Feb 18,1963 - 300HP Powerglide)
    Intake- 3799349 K122 (Nov 12, 1962)
    Left Ex Man- 3749965 A15?
    Right Ex Man- 3750556 B5?
    Starter- 1109061 8C25 (78? March 25)
    Left Head- dble hump 3782461 B123
    Right Head- dble hump 3782461 B123
    Powerglide (can't find #'s)

    Options:
    300 HP engine
    Powerglide Automatic
    Power Steering
    Power Brakes(front disks non original)

    Vin Plate:80837S109664 (2 spot welds, circular surface rust under plate around rivets. Center of plate bulged out a bit)
    Trim Tag:
    F5 - Feb, 5th week (1st was a Friday, making 5 total weeks in the month)
    Style 63 837 5415 Body
    Trim STD 912A Paint (Black int, Silver Blue ext)

    More photos:

    Rich

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  • Terry R.
    Expired
    • March 1, 2005
    • 359

    #2
    Re: 63 SWC #9664 ID Numbers & more.....

    Nice car Rich. On my '62 powerglide the #'s are on the trans pan. I don't know if it carried over to '63 or not.

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    • Joe L.
      Beyond Control Poster
      • February 1, 1988
      • 43221

      #3
      Re: 63 SWC #9664 ID Numbers & more.....

      Rich-----

      A very nice, clean, pretty much original car. That's one of the great benefits of buying a Powerglide car as others have noted-----these things usually don't get "beat" or heavily modified.

      It should not be too much of a problem to return it to original front brake configuration, assuming you choose to do so, especially since you got the take-off parts. However, for a driver, if it brakes well as-is, I think I'd be tempted to leave it alone.
      In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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      • Richard M.
        Super Moderator
        • August 31, 1988
        • 11323

        #4
        More photos if interested.....

        There are 48 photos of the car available to view. Unfortunately, Comcast still has problems with their webpage viewer so you'll have to look at them via direct links, sorry. They had a backwards upgrade a while ago and customers are irate about it. I don't have the time or patience to spend hours trying to figure out what they did. I hate Comcast. I think it's Comcast-uck!

        Photos:
        thru

        You'll have to enter the link in your browser and manually change the #'s from 1 to 48 to see them all. A few blurred on me but I stored them anyways.

        If you see anything unusual please let me know. I already figured out the alternator bracket was attached to the alt on the front vs rear & fixed that this morning. Also, the trans kickdown to throttle rod is missing between the carb and lever mounted at the rear of the block. Which position is "off", rearward I'd think, right? The bottom of the carb throttle lever moves forward when accelerating. I need to get a rod and connect it.

        Thanks,
        Rich & Cathie
        Attached Files

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        • Harry Sadlock

          #5
          Re: More photos if interested.....

          Rich, nice car. Looks like it's all there except for the add-on's you mentioned.

          I'd:

          1) Check the frame very close
          2) Check the headlight bezels, they look like 64 to 67
          3) Passenger door mirror is an add-on
          4) 300hp decal on the right side is in the wrong spot
          5) Distributor cover is held on with a wing nut, should be a bolt.

          Nothing negative in what I see, just simple thinks that happen in 44 years.

          Harry

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          • David K.
            Expired
            • February 1, 1976
            • 592

            #6
            Re: More photos if interested.....

            Looks as if the glove box door has been changed and is not the plastic faced one of a 63. Looks like you did good, nice car.

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            • Richard M.
              Super Moderator
              • August 31, 1988
              • 11323

              #7
              Re: More photos if interested.....

              Hi Harry...thanks.

              1-The only bad spot I could see on the frame is just in front of the left rear wheel. The boxed in section which I was told is the lower birdcage. It's rusted through with a hole in the face and some loose rust inside. I need to pull off the inspection plate. I'm sure it'll be worse as I get into it as I've always experienced. It needs attention. I hammared around when I inspected the car and that's all I could get at. As you can see in the frame photos, it seems pretty well preserved. I'm getting new tires for it today and will give it a real good checkout on the lift.

              2-My C2 friend looked at the bezels the other day and he mentioned bezels were questionable too. He mentioned metal vs fiberglass? I don't know the difference in applications. The bezels are difinetly metal(magnet test).

              3-Yes I realized that too. I took one off for buffing the car. Appeared repro as there's no part# under the base. Should there be?

              4-Decals. Yes I noticed that right away too. I actually had a old used "327" plate from a purchase and glued it on the left side when I replaced the gaskets and will relocate the decal just below it. Right side should just have the "327" plate and decal too?

              5-Ahhh....I wasn't sure about that. I found a bolt and a wingnut in the ashtray. I chose the easier method for now as I'm still playing around in there. I need to do a tuneup.

              I need to get all of the books for this one. AIM, Service manuals, Noland book, etc. Even all my catalogs are 53-62 only. Need to stock up!

              Thanks!
              Rich

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              • Harry Sadlock

                #8
                Re: More photos if interested.....

                Rich, for a VIN in the 9XXX range the headlight bezels (metal) have two mounting holes in the front. Easily seen when the headlights are up/exposed. Also, the buckets themselves are fiberglass.

                The mirror on the right side is an aftermarket add-on. I do not know if there is a number. The left side should have a number.

                Harry

                Keep posting pictures.

                Harry

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                • Tracy C.
                  Expired
                  • July 31, 2003
                  • 2739

                  #9
                  Re: More photos if interested.....

                  For 63, the headlight buckets should be fiberglass, but the bezels around the headlights are steel.

                  tc

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                  • Kent K.
                    Extremely Frequent Poster
                    • December 1, 1982
                    • 1139

                    #10
                    Re: 63 SWC #9664 ID Numbers & more.....

                    Rich ---- If I had it to repeat with my '67 which may have been, ever so slightly, less molested than your newly acquired '63, I would definitely consider asking the '63 team leader at a regional event if he/she would recommend the car for a mulitple star award judging. Unfortunately for me, the Bowtie Award process discussion started after my '67s disassembly was far along and there was no turning back.
                    Regards, Kent Keech
                    Kent
                    1967 327/300 Convert. w/ Air - Duntoved in 1994
                    1969 427/435 Coupe - 1 previous owner
                    2006 Coupe - Driver & Fun Car !!!
                    NCM Founder - Member #718

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                    • Richard M.
                      Super Moderator
                      • August 31, 1988
                      • 11323

                      #11
                      Re: 63 SWC #9664 ID Numbers & more.....

                      Hi Kent, Interesting, others have had similar comments too.

                      I read the JRM Bowtie information. I talked to her about it last night and she's open to the idea.

                      The car is very original, however, the aftermarket AC and front disk conversion would seem to be major hits. Both of these were selling features she really liked about the car. We wouldn't change them for anything right now as she wants to drive and enjoy the car. It's her decision, but I did suggest she consider it as a serious possibility.

                      The rest of the car is a history book with the exception of some work at the rear suspension and a newer exhaust system with some incorrect hangers. Tires are also non original type(except the spare which appears original). In fact I'm searching for 5 replacement tires for it now as the Coopers on it have deep tread but are pretty old.

                      The way I understand it, as a prerequisite the car could be entered in a Regional in the Display Only class for inspection as a candidate. I am already registered to have my 59 flight judged next month at the Winter Regional in Kissimmee, Florida. I'm not sure if registration is closed so it may be too late now anyways. If she decides she wants to persue this I'll check for availability.

                      Thanks,
                      Rich
                      ====

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                      • Richard M.
                        Super Moderator
                        • August 31, 1988
                        • 11323

                        #12
                        Re: 63 SWC #9664 ID Numbers & more.....

                        Hi Kent, Interesting, others have had similar comments too.

                        I read the JRM Bowtie information. I talked to her about it last night and she's open to the idea.

                        The car is very original, however, the aftermarket AC and front disk conversion would seem to be major hits. Both of these were selling features she really liked about the car. We wouldn't change them for anything right now as she wants to drive and enjoy the car. It's her decision, but I did suggest she consider it as a serious possibility.

                        The rest of the car is a history book with the exception of some work at the rear suspension and a newer exhaust system with some incorrect hangers. Tires are also non original type(except the spare which appears original). In fact I'm searching for 5 replacement tires for it now as the Coopers on it have deep tread but are pretty old.

                        The way I understand it, as a prerequisite the car could be entered in a Regional in the Display Only class for inspection as a candidate. I am already registered to have my 59 flight judged next month at the Winter Regional in Kissimmee, Florida. I'm not sure if registration is closed so it may be too late now anyways. If she decides she wants to persue this I'll check for availability.

                        Thanks,
                        Rich
                        ====

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                        • Kent K.
                          Extremely Frequent Poster
                          • December 1, 1982
                          • 1139

                          #13
                          Re: 63 SWC #9664 ID Numbers & more.....

                          Rich ---- So, why not put the original front brakes back on, leave the A/C as is and, at least, try for an initial display. I get the feeling you are in Florida, so a drive to Kissimmee might do the car some good. And, your wife would be presenting the car if your '59 is being judged.
                          Regards, Kent Keech
                          Kent
                          1967 327/300 Convert. w/ Air - Duntoved in 1994
                          1969 427/435 Coupe - 1 previous owner
                          2006 Coupe - Driver & Fun Car !!!
                          NCM Founder - Member #718

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                          • Kent K.
                            Extremely Frequent Poster
                            • December 1, 1982
                            • 1139

                            #14
                            Re: 63 SWC #9664 ID Numbers & more.....

                            Rich ---- So, why not put the original front brakes back on, leave the A/C as is and, at least, try for an initial display. I get the feeling you are in Florida, so a drive to Kissimmee might do the car some good. And, your wife would be presenting the car if your '59 is being judged.
                            Regards, Kent Keech
                            Kent
                            1967 327/300 Convert. w/ Air - Duntoved in 1994
                            1969 427/435 Coupe - 1 previous owner
                            2006 Coupe - Driver & Fun Car !!!
                            NCM Founder - Member #718

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                            • Richard M.
                              Super Moderator
                              • August 31, 1988
                              • 11323

                              #15
                              Re: 63 SWC #9664 ID Numbers & more.....

                              Hi Kent,

                              Well she's thinking about it. We may try, but I'm not going to change the brakes. They're really safe as is and I'd must finish the preparation work on my 59 for Kissimmee. Lots left to do. Yes we're about 90 minutes drive to there. We may just bring it up and put in "Display" anyways if we're not to late. Only trouble is we both can't be there for the whole 3 days due to other commitments she has.

                              Still sorting out some issues on the swc, like a charging problem and several little "bubbas" that appear to have been there for a while. We actually got it legally registered yesterday, even got a blue antique FL tag which matches the paint, and she took it out last night for about an hour drive. I followed along in my 59 with a trunkfull of tools just in case. She had a blast. The car looks really nice on the road. I tested it out before she drove it, and it certainly is a strong one. I'm afraid she'd beat me pretty badly if we raced. I won't race her for fear of an embarrasing loss.:-)

                              Regards,
                              Rich

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