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  • Wayne M.
    Expired
    • March 1, 1980
    • 6414

    C2 Flight Judging Deleted Options

    A local gentleman has a '66 L79, originally from California, with original window sticker, warranty book w/P-o-P, and cylinder case assembly stamping suffix all indicating K19 (air injection reactor).

    Trouble is, all (and I mean ALL) of the smog stuff has been removed, and replaced with proper non-K19 equipment. He asked me how it would judge, and the more I got into the judging sheets, TIM and Judging Reference Manual, the more I felt this was a question best put to the black hats.

    I am aware of the draconian "subject to full deduction" as it pertains to N14, N40, J50, etc. additions or deletions, but (in this case) if the only indicator is the assembly stamp suffix code (assuming that he doesn't present the window sticker and that the P-o-P is not decoded during flight), I can see two outcomes.

    1. Assume that the suffix is a factory error. Should maybe lose half of the 25 points for assembly stamping. Everything else in the engine compartment is correct non-A.I.R.

    2. But, if it is deemed that the suffix is correct, then full deductions are in store for the rest of the K-19 equipment that is not present, and items that are present but in their non-K19 version. [ie. carb, air cleaner base, exhaust manifolds, air pump, hoses, belts, brackets, pulleys, etc.) In this latter example, the points hit could be massive.

    Would like your opinions.
  • Mike M.
    NCRS Past President
    • May 31, 1974
    • 8386

    #2
    Re: C2 Flight Judging Deleted Options

    outcome # 2. mike

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    • Mike M.
      NCRS Past President
      • May 31, 1974
      • 8386

      #3
      Re: C2 Flight Judging Deleted Options

      outcome # 2. mike

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      • Roy B.
        Expired
        • February 1, 1975
        • 7044

        #4
        Re: C2 Flight Judging Deleted Options

        Well! If he removed it and no one can tell he should be OK in my opinion // if made up options installed in other Corvette cant be detected and get top points why not him.

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        • Roy B.
          Expired
          • February 1, 1975
          • 7044

          #5
          Re: C2 Flight Judging Deleted Options

          Well! If he removed it and no one can tell he should be OK in my opinion // if made up options installed in other Corvette cant be detected and get top points why not him.

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          • Joe L.
            Beyond Control Poster
            • February 1, 1988
            • 43221

            #6
            Re: C2 Flight Judging Deleted Options

            Roy-----

            That would work EXCEPT for the fact that the engine has the "with K-19" suffix code. That's the "fly in the ointment".
            In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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            • Joe L.
              Beyond Control Poster
              • February 1, 1988
              • 43221

              #7
              Re: C2 Flight Judging Deleted Options

              Roy-----

              That would work EXCEPT for the fact that the engine has the "with K-19" suffix code. That's the "fly in the ointment".
              In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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              • William C.
                NCRS Past President
                • May 31, 1975
                • 6037

                #8
                Agree with Mike!

                Engine, assuming an original pad, would get full credit, and the missing items would be scored as missing.
                Bill Clupper #618

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                • William C.
                  NCRS Past President
                  • May 31, 1975
                  • 6037

                  #9
                  Agree with Mike!

                  Engine, assuming an original pad, would get full credit, and the missing items would be scored as missing.
                  Bill Clupper #618

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                  • Mike M.
                    NCRS Past President
                    • May 31, 1974
                    • 8386

                    #10
                    Re: C2 Flight Judging Deleted Options

                    roy- the engine pad's suffix will call out for a K19 option. point is roy, he probably doesn't want to remove the suffix from what is said to be the original engine.Hence, most observer judges would pick up on the K19 suffix and absence of smog pieces underhood.i seem to recall the word "preservation" in the stated goals the founders of NCRS chose when they wrote of the purpose of the club. mike

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                    • Mike M.
                      NCRS Past President
                      • May 31, 1974
                      • 8386

                      #11
                      Re: C2 Flight Judging Deleted Options

                      roy- the engine pad's suffix will call out for a K19 option. point is roy, he probably doesn't want to remove the suffix from what is said to be the original engine.Hence, most observer judges would pick up on the K19 suffix and absence of smog pieces underhood.i seem to recall the word "preservation" in the stated goals the founders of NCRS chose when they wrote of the purpose of the club. mike

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                      • john daly

                        #12
                        Re: C2 Flight Judging Deleted Options

                        According to the NCRS spec guide the suffix is "HD" for L79,K19 and 4 speed and "KH" for K19 A/C,P/S and four speed.

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                        • john daly

                          #13
                          Re: C2 Flight Judging Deleted Options

                          According to the NCRS spec guide the suffix is "HD" for L79,K19 and 4 speed and "KH" for K19 A/C,P/S and four speed.

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                          • Michael W.
                            Expired
                            • April 1, 1997
                            • 4290

                            #14
                            Perhaps the word 'option' is not

                            appropriate in this case. I believe that K19 was mandatory for California bound L79.

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                            • Michael W.
                              Expired
                              • April 1, 1997
                              • 4290

                              #15
                              Perhaps the word 'option' is not

                              appropriate in this case. I believe that K19 was mandatory for California bound L79.

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