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  • Gerard F.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • June 30, 2004
    • 3803

    #16
    I think the gasket makes a difference

    Duke,

    I have a 3952708 gas cap with the neoprene gasket in front of me.

    For vacuum in the tank, the cap runs free and clear, and vents the tank with no resistance. One can easily suck air through the hole in the bottom of the cap.

    For pressure in the tank, it is the clamping force of the spring in the cap against the gasket which holds the pressure. The hole in the bottom of the cap seems to have a check valve in it. You can't blow air through it.

    The neoprene gasket on my fairly new one is thick. About 1/8". I notice that it really clamps on hard and the spring seems fairly stiff. The diameter of the bottom of the cap exposed to the tank is just under 3" and the area exposed to pressure is about 5 square inches. This means to me that for every 5 lbs of clamping force one would have 1 psi in the tank.

    Just feeling the spring compression to move it 1/8" feels to me to be a lot more than just 5 lbs but there is some compression of the gasket. The pressure buildup to release would therefore be the total clamping force of the spring against the gasket, divided by 5 for psi, but then a little more to account for the resiliency of the gasket.

    Total clamping force is really a matter of the geometry of the cap as well as the lip on the tank and gasket, so only testing with the cap on the tank will give you a true pressure relief figure. There probably is a spec on that.

    I'd really have to be crazy to test the relief pressure of this cap on my 67 gas tank. I think I'll just get one of those fiber gaskets for it, or continue using my early 70's loose fitting locking gas cap, that leaks with a full tank.

    However, I think the gasket makes a difference in the relief pressure, a newer cap with the neoprene gasket would seem to hold more pressure, maybe as they wear, the pressure relief figure will be lower. I'd give the design an F, it is probably one of those later emission control changes.

    But to those who get that drip, drip, drip in the carb after shutdown following a long hot run, I'd advise to check the gas cap first.

    Jerry Fuccillo
    #42179
    Jerry Fuccillo
    1967 327/300 Convertible since 1968

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    • Duke W.
      Beyond Control Poster
      • January 1, 1993
      • 15642

      #17
      Re: I think the gasket makes a difference

      My '63 cap has the spring, and its purpose is to hold the gasket snug against the neck to prevent liquid leakage, but the vent hole has no valve. It flows either way.

      I measured my cap at the gasket ID at 2 7/8", so pi d-squared over 4 yields 6.49 square inches.

      It's tough to gage the amount of force to move the spring, but I'd say about 10 pounds. If you have a bathroom scale (I don't) press the bottom of the cap against it to see how much force is required to move the spring.

      10/6.49 = about 1.5 psi, which seems reasonable.

      Duke

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      • Gerard F.
        Extremely Frequent Poster
        • June 30, 2004
        • 3803

        #18
        Your right, I missed the value of pi

        It also felt like about 10# for an 1/8" push.

        Jerry Fuccillo
        Jerry Fuccillo
        1967 327/300 Convertible since 1968

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        • Clem Z.
          Expired
          • January 1, 2006
          • 9427

          #19
          Re: I think the gasket makes a difference

          to prevent the problem with fuel spill over in the carb back in the 60s we drilled the caps to let out the pressure. the 3X2 were a big problem and could cause engine failure if enough gas got onto the oil pan. there was even a kit sold that connected the output of the fuel pump to the input side to relieve the pressure thru a small orifice. with the take apart fuel pumps we drilled the valve body plate with a .015 hole to relieve the pressure between the fuel pump and the carbs

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