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  • David W.
    Very Frequent User
    • December 1, 1999
    • 272

    First NCRS Regional

    I attended my first NCRS gathering of any kind this past weekend at the Mars Regional. It was a very educational and enjoyable experience. I was able to meet many fine Corvette people, including many that I had my first contact with on the discussion board.

    For background, I purchased my first Corvette in November of 1999, a '64 white coupe. After looking at many cars and a few wild goose chases, I found what seemed to be a a very nice original car. Two owners from 1964 to 1999, both of which were over 50, and neither of which used the car for their main means of transportation. Options are 300 hp, 4 speed, PS, PB, 43K miles.

    I stumbled onto the NCRS board after a search on the net. I posted a few questions and the help was invaluable. I was hooked and joined shortly thereafter.

    In my mind, the car was nice, but I am far from an expert. I needed to have some unbiased knowledgeable opinions. What better way than at a Regional event. Signed up and made the 4 hour drive. Initially I was just going to sign up for bowtie sign-off, but I was convinced by a few of you on the board to have it flight judged as well, where I could really have the car examined.

    I was very nervous the night before, moreso than I expected to be. After all, this was just an exercise, right? Well, when you see the caliper of cars at one of these events, it can be intimidating. I quickly felt like a fish out of water. If not for a few very encouraging remarks from some very nice NCRS members, I would have taken the arsenic tablets I brought for just such a situation.

    The judging process was very informative and quite painless. To have 5 teams of two guys thoroughly 'proctologize' your car, is quite an experience. One thing is for sure, these guys are unbelievably knowledgable. A big advantage of a regional is you get the most experienced judges, including some national judges. All were very complimentary of the car and really appreciated the unrestored nature of the car. I felt much better as the day progressed.

    When it was all said and done, I received my bowtie sign-off and was less than one percent away from a top flight award. In my exercise of going thru the judging sheets weeks before the meet, I was in the very low range of second flight scores, so I was very thrilled with the outcome. It was a bit painful to be so close to top flight but I kept telling myself to not get greedy. I couple of small items and I will make it next time. Not bad for a car that is driven.

    Overall it was a great experience that I would recommend to anyone. Congratulations to those that organized the meet as it was first class. A huge thanks to all on the DB who helped me along the way and at the meet (including the judges) for their words of encouragement.

    David
  • John W.
    Administrator
    • November 1, 1974
    • 5084

    #2
    Re: First NCRS Regional *TL*

    David,

    Eloquently put. Your experience is very common for the first time out. I just wish everyone would seriously consider having their cars judged before they spend a lot of money and time trying to make it perfect enough for flight judging. Your will reap the benefits many times over.

    John


    Administrator
    www.ncrs.org

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    • Robert C.
      Expired
      • December 1, 1993
      • 1153

      #3
      Re: First NCRS Regional

      David, You are one of the FEW who did it right. Iwish I had done it first before messing with my car. I,ve had my cars judged 5 times now! It's the most fun experiance than can be imagined. Good luck to you with your "Bowtie" judging. I'll see you at the Nationals. Please come to the NDB get together Sunday, 6:30pm at the Museum. Bob Cook


      Texas Chapter NCRS

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      • R&S Fearon

        #4
        Re: First NCRS Regional

        Congratulations David. I was actually looking for your email address this morning to send a follow-up to see how you made out.

        Sounds like both you and your '64 did very well in Mars.

        I look forward to seeing you at the Nationals, but would be interested to talk with you before ... will you be attending as a Bowtie candidate?

        Rob Fearon Member 29326 Ontario Canada

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        • Jimmy G.
          Very Frequent User
          • November 1, 1979
          • 976

          #5
          Re: First NCRS Regional

          Mars, PA was a nice Regional. Had a fun time. Nice to see old friends again.
          Founder - Carolinas Chapter NCRS

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          • Juliet P.
            Very Frequent User
            • June 30, 1999
            • 349

            #6
            Re: First NCRS Regional

            Dave,

            Congratulations! It sure sounds like the NCRS bug has bitten you. I too had my arm twisted by fellow NCRS friends (some on this board even!) into having my car judged early on. Don't tell them that I admit to this or they might get even more swollen egos ...but they were right on with that advice! Glad you had a fun time. Once you get the judging sheets back is when the REAL work begins.

            ~Juliet


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            • Vinnie P.
              Editor NCRS Restorer Magazine
              • May 31, 1990
              • 1563

              #7
              Re: First NCRS Regional *TL*

              David,

              Saw your car at Pittsburgh, great car! Unfortunately didn't get the chance to meet you personally. I'm sure we will meet at the convention.

              Your car was signed off for Bowtie judging. Many members don't understand the process, so prior to your fixing anything which will give you more points in the flight judging process, STOP. Clean only, and then only use mild cleaners, and nothing that will disturb the original finish of the part. Bowtie judging is about originality only, not condition. Once you get your judging sheets from Mars and you start making improvements to the car, you'll lose the originality of the part, and thus the part will fail in Bowtie Judging.

              Your best option is to leave the car alone until after Bowtie judging. If the car earns the 4-Star Bowtie Award, then you'll want to preserve it that way and not make any changes to the car. The purpose of the Bowtie Award is to preserve the car and encourage the owner to retain and display the car in its present condition for the enjoyment and continuing educational benefit of the membership.

              If you receive the award and then restore the car, the car is no longer a Bowtie Car, and is not recognized as such.

              Hope this helped.




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              • David W.
                Very Frequent User
                • December 1, 1999
                • 272

                #8
                Re: First NCRS Regional

                Thanks to everyone for the nice comments on the board and via email. Going the bowtie route and the flight judging route parallel is very delicate. It makes matters even worse when you expect to drive the car and enjoy it. Understanding that disturbing anything from its factory original condition is a no-no makes life very interesting. My wipers and washers were a perfect example as they weren't working but I couldn't remove them from the firewall or I'd jeopardize the originality (screws are checked for screwdriver contact marks!). On the operations check, each are a 25 point deduction. That alone would have pushed me over to top flight. It's a Corvette owners version of purgatory to have to knowingly give that up. Tires are another area. I drove the car 4 hours, it has radials. That's alot of points to give away but bias ply tires at 70 mph is not my idea of a fun time.

                Oh well, I'm having fun. I saw a few cars that had double and triple the amount of money I have in mine trying to get top flight. I kind of feel like the girl that entered the beauty contest at the last minute and won. I bought the car less than a year ago and I think I've spent a total of $450 (battery, wrong expansion tank),(plus $50 for Dawn detergent!). So it can be done. And by the way, it was advertised in Hemmings, so they are out there.

                Re Bowling Green, the car is registered for bowtie but I may have a business conflict, I'll have to wait and see. I wish the meet wasn't so long. I'll be at Bloomington for survivor.

                Thanks again, David

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                • David W.
                  Very Frequent User
                  • December 1, 1999
                  • 272

                  #9
                  P.S.

                  And by the way, I have no intentions of ever fully 'restoring' the car while I own it. Paint and interior are too nice to mess with. Thanks

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