RM Lacquer Paint

[don22567]

I'm trying to find some tuxedo black RM lacquer automotive paint. Does anyone know where I can find some? Thanks, Don.

[Donald T.]

Re: RM Lacquer Paint

I have used TCP for lacquer paint. They have PPG and their own house brand. They have always been very helpful, and very fast delivery.

http://www.tcpglobal.com/autocolorlibrary/

[Duke W.]

Re: RM Lacquer Paint

GM black acrylic lacquer was the same from 1958 to the last time is was used as an OE finish circa early 1980s.

PPG offers a "factory pack" - no mixing needed, so you can order it from any PPG dealer even if they no longer have a lacquer mixing machine.

I expect the same applies for R-M.

Duke

[don22567]

Re: RM Lacquer Paint

Thanks Duke, I know that I can get lacquer from PPG but I'm doing touch up work on a car that was painted using RM and I'm concerned that the shade of color will not match as each manufacturer tends to have a different mix.

[John M.]

Re: RM Lacquer Paint

I would be incredibly suprised if there was a match problem between the old R-M paint and new PPG paint. I know that touchedup old Dupont Tuxedo black paint jobs with the PPG paint, and it looked fine. If you can't make Tuxedo black paint that matches, you should probably not be in the paint business! as Duke points out, all the Tuxedo black out there is factory pack. My local supplier still has mixing equipment, but only sells the factory pack black.

Regards, John McGraw

[don22567]

Re: RM Lacquer Paint

thanks John, I was hoping that would be the case with Tuxedo Black. I can tell you that I recently was able to buy some R-M Rally Red lacquer and some PPG Rally Red lacquer and I had some spray tests done at a professional corvette restoration shop and the two shades were very different. The PPG was very red whereas the R-M was more pinkish in color which is what I think the Rally Red should be.

[John M.]

Re: RM Lacquer Paint

Yep,

I have had Roman Red (same as Rally Red) mixed by different vendors in the past, and the Dupont formula was way different than the PPG color!

Regards, John McGraw

[DANNY PANTUSO]

Re: RM Lacquer Paint

Hey Don, there a Paint Shop suppler in Syracuse NY has Lacquer his Name is Joe that all I know, Danny

[Jim W.]

I agree. There is a difference.........

My Marlboro Maroon '67 was done with an R-M lacquer factory pack in the early 1980's and the color was dead on in my opinion. When redone in the late 1990's with PPG, the shade of MM was disappointingly different. Jim Weeks - Member #2978

[Duke W.]

Re: RM Lacquer Paint

Roman red is not the same formula as Rally Red. You may have been comparing two different formulas.

Roman red is the same formula as Riverside Red used in '63-'64. Rally Red superseded in 1965. It's darker and more of a "blue red" than "orange red".

No

[John D.]

Re: RM Lacquer Paint

Don, You are correct for sure. Many shades of Black paint. I have an old Ford that is painted with Martin Senour from NAPA. One of the fenders got painted with Ditzler and it didn't match at all. No I would stick with what you are doing and find the same paint. All black paint is not the same for sure. A friend who works for me tells me that often. John

[don22567]

Re: RM Lacquer Paint

Duke, I compared R-M and PPG Rally Red, the same paint code, and they were different shades. John McGraw compared to different manufacturers of Roman Red and claimed they were different.

[Larry L.]

Re: RM Lacquer Paint

Is there anyway to know which paint was used on your car?

[Dick W.]

Re: RM Lacquer Paint

One of the problems with the black equivelent you get today is that it is quite a bit blacker. The "Real Deal" Ballard explained this to me a couple of weeks ago. I do not remember the total deal, but basically the black to make the black pigments is different from what was used earlier. Tuxedo Black in Dupont lacquer was 99L which was switched to 99S in the late '70's or early '80's. You could not spot paint using 99S over 99L. The 99L had a brown hue when put beside 99S. You have to remember that almost every color has black in the formula, including white! And this is just one mixing color. None of the original mixing colors are available today

[Ray C.]

Re: RM Lacquer Paint

If you click on or cut and paste the URL provided and then on distributor locater on the bottom of the page you should find a distributor close to your location.

http://www.ppg.com/cr-refinish/phase1/frmProductInfo.asp

Ray