In reading the judging manual it states the trans is not to be judged on casting numbers or dates. Why is that whe almost everything else in the car is?
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Too hard for the judges to get under the car and see it. Sure, they could use a lift, but think about having to get 50 cars or so on a lift during a day's judging.
Ironic, isn't it? The numbers on the engine pad are sacred ground, checked for microscopic accuracy, but the numbers on the tranny are not even looked at. -
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Very ironicComment
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Same as the rearend!Comment
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I guess if you believe that the engine stamp pad numbers are 'sacred ground' then many things in Flight Judging will seem ironic.
They're only worth 25 points a set, about the same as an interior or instrument lamp during operations.Comment
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Mike, I'm new to NCRS and the rules of judging, but ignoring the trans is definitely ironic. I have a numbers matching 67 L79 coupe with a 3:36 rear axle. The only change I've been considering is having a Keisler 5 speed installed since they seem to have the engineering worked out for an exact fit in a C2. The gearing would offer a significant improvement in performance. Can you or the others on this thread comment on the impact that would have on judging the car. I'm assuming full disclosure is required to avoid disqualification, but would this only result in a 25 point deduct or is it more serious than that? Any guidance would be appreciated. PeteComment
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You would lose the transmission points 25, Plus points for the Correct Shifter and also points on the operations check for the reverse lock out. Not sure on the point deduct for these. MikeComment
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Mike, Looks like I need to give this some more thought. The car is unmolested, although the radiator code seems to indicate a replacement, the rest of the decoding puts it in an original, numbers matching category. Since it's made it to it's 40th birthday in one piece, maybe the right thing to do is just preserve it and find another ride to satisfy the need for a hard "Launch" once in awhile. Thanks for the help. PeteComment
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chris i think that this is unreal myself, they will scrutinize the engine compartment to no end, but you could have a vega tranny and score points ,my car has under car exhaust and i can see the serial number of the car easily, this must be a side exhaust issue. also the rear diff should be gudged. gust a thought . jimJRComment
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Is a Vega tranny a Muncie? If not, and as I recall, it is a Saginaw, it will lose points. Judges may not be thin, but they are also not stupid. In the same way on a C1, we look deep enough to determine whether or not it is a Muncie or Borg-Warner T10, and whether it is cast iron case or aluminum.
Sorry, Jim, your Vega gust won't gut it!Comment
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Thanks mike i am impressed you knew that, put a smile on my face! jimJRComment
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You should be able to make up some of the lost points by driving your car to the judging event. Might be a fun drive! Might be worth it!Comment
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your best improvment if you want to launch is a taller rear ratio that would be undetected i do not see much boot scootin with a 3:36 the 5 speed as i see it would benifit you in cruising. some of the best drag cars had 2 speed power "slides" (glides)Comment
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Bill, The Keisler site has a "Speed Analyzer" matrix that suggests that the lower 1st gear in the TKO-500 5-speed will let a 3:36 rear axle car accelerate off the line equivalent to a 4:36 rear end. The 5th gear is a .68 overdrive for cruising. If you haven't seen their site or this trans check out this link. Sounds almost too good to be true. Thanks to all for your thoughts on this. Pete.
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Actually, the first few years of the Vega used Opel-built 3-speed and 4-speed transmissions (long story)Comment
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