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  • Gene M.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • April 1, 1985
    • 4232

    NCRS year 1999?

    Let's start out by agreeing that we all want to attend NCRS meets cause we like and enjoy Corvettes. Some like to drive them, some like to judge, some want to just look, some want to learn more, talk or enjoy social atmosphere, some like ta just work on them, others want to see how their car stacks up in flight judging. I fall a little under each, mostly work on. One thing we can all agree on, this hobby does take time. Some members are not as lucky to have time to attend the entire duration of an NCRS meet. It is selfish to make them stay or loose out on a stupid ribbon just for the sake of a stupid rule that shouldn't exist to start with. Let's make things comfortable for members, so what if a few cars (owners have to leave) are not viewed by all. To be perfectly frank I HATE the awards banquette or ceremony stuff any way. There is nothing more boring than speeches! Remember my beginning statement had to do with things we like to do, ceremony and banquets were not listed. This organization is for the members NOT to serve rules. Step back and look at what is happening, fewer cars are showing up, classes are not full any more. This club is going in the same way as the government! After reading many of the notes on this board some thing must be done or more NCRS purist will depart. Many, myself included do not agree (in fact condemn) the allowance of engines stamped by any one other than GM. I've talked with many of my chapter members that feel just as strongly on this topic. If a Corvette has lost it's original engine so be it, it's x number of points lost, end of story. It's NOT equal to an original and should not receive recognition equal to as such.

    How did we ever get to the level of thinking that the engine block is a replaceable item? The bird cage, trim and vin tag are not? Once the virginity is gone it's gone. Live with it. Major issues such as the allowance and substitution of valued principals (original blocks) should be voted and decided by members. My understanding of restoration begins with all the original MAJOR COMPONENTS then work begins to bring them back to original state. I suggest we start flight class separations to distinguish between the level of restorations in our organization. Just like the class that was created for unrestored cars (Bowtie). This new flight class would be for cars that are restored using the original MAJOR COMPONENTS that came on that car when it left GM not otherwise acquired engine blocks, trannys, frames, restamped to appear like originals. I am sure as an organization we could realistically define what these MAJOR COMPONENTS the members feel should be.
  • Stubby '57

    #2
    Re: NCRS year 1999?

    It's a comfort to hear a voice of reason. Let's hope that NCRS listens. There is an awful lot of people who think as you do. Hope they post their support of what is being said here.

    Knight Farwell

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    • Jack H.
      Extremely Frequent Poster
      • April 1, 1990
      • 9906

      #3
      Re: NCRS year 1999?

      NCRS is a club, a non-profit corporation, a mostly volunteer organization and a political 'beast'. There is no full time director at the top who plots, schemes and decides what to do. Guys and gals join, get active, and work in committee at chapter and national levels to make the thing be what it is.

      For those who disagree with what it is, GREAT! But, don't think you can or will affect change by jotting off a ditty on the web site or sending out an e. You make change by rolling up your sleeves, going to the meets and meetings, making your inputs, running for office, getting elected, and painfully giving your time in a 'negotiated power' structure to make the change(s) you want to see happen.

      In the meantime, there are rules and reality that exist. Whether you agree with them or not, they're there and some take 'em very seriously. Others don't. So.... Get active and we can all enjoy even more. It's the cars that bring us together, but in the end, it's the people that matter.

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      • James F.
        Very Frequent User
        • December 1, 1985
        • 596

        #4
        Re: NCRS year 1999?

        Gene, The $25 awards mailing charge was as I saw it, formost an intent to encourage more people to remain for the awards presentation. Obviously there is profit in the mailing service, but that was not the real intent.

        Is is possible for those against this policy to place themselves in the shoes of those people who have volunteered their time to put on a Regional/National. This is a "lot of volunteer work!" As Riba posted, Jan 20, "it becomes embarrassing when only 1/3 of the recipients go up to receive their ribbons or plaques."

        I do not question that there will one or two who really must leave due to prior engagements. Without an incentive to attend the awards banquet apparently many (as high as 2/3rds?) in small groups would rather go around town to have their own celebration. Possibly to avoid the (oftimes) higher priced awards banquet dinner.

        For the moment, do put yourself in the place as somehone who invested their time and energies envisioning a successful event. Would you feel "your" event was somewhat less than totally successful?

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        • Patrick H.
          Beyond Control Poster
          • December 1, 1989
          • 11626

          #5
          How about beyond that?

          Has anyone ever thought of handing out awards on the field, ala the way Bloomington did (does?) it? Is it just "tradition" that there is a banquet afterwards? If it is that unpopular, has anyone tried anything different?

          I'll admit that of all the NCRS events (national, regional & chapter) I've been to, whether as judge or spectator, I've never been to an awards banquet. I'll also admit that I have no dying reason to go. BUT, if I brought my car across the country for judging, I'd at least go there just to say I'd done it.

          I think a bigger problem facing us is that younger people like myself (31), who were born (just) after the last of the "midyears," really aren't getting into the hobby. When I go to NCRS events, I'm often near the far younger end of the scale. This isn't quite as true as when I started going several years ago, but it still holds as a "generalization."

          Are guys (and gals) my age going to restore a lot of the mid-70's models? I doubt it, or at least not like we see 72 & older cars undergoing R&R. Are we going to see "Jack Podell Jr" selling restored 82 crossfire units at $3500 each? Who even wants to think about restoring the computerized C4's? It's not such a silly question. In 1979 when Dave Burroughs restored the 65 big block featured in his book, it was 14 years old. Anyone out there doing a frame off on an 85? Searching down original suppliers? Got a set of the 84/85 only Gatorbacks?

          Personally I'm waiting until the Baby Boomers are in the retirement homes, and I can buy all the fuelies cheap . :>)

          Just something to think about from someone about the age of your kids. In the meantime I'll keep learning more about Corvettes built before I was, or at least before I was in kindergarten.
          Vice-Chairman (West), Michigan Chapter NCRS
          71 "deer modified" coupe
          72 5-Star Bowtie / Duntov coupe. https://www.flickr.com/photos/124695...57649252735124
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          • Thomas B.
            Frequent User
            • July 31, 1984
            • 38

            #6
            Re: How about beyond that?

            Patrick:

            I am a menber of the boomer generation and your comments relative to the aging of the NCRS community ring true with me. It is a fact that most companies fail to survive for more than 40 years because, I suspect, that they fail to follow the market and adapt. Much can be said of keeping tradition but I'm wonder if NCRS cannot attract the attention of my son then what is its long term viability?

            Tom Brady
            Tom Brady

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            • Stubby '57

              #7
              Re: How about beyond that?

              Tom: Old folks, by age and metally, don't tend to listen, if you get my drift in this case. I'm 57 years old, but believe I'm young, when it comes to these problems. N C R S, in my opinion, doesn't listen well at all. You can view the responses here to judge for yourself. Many more young people are needed or the Corvette Classics will certainly die. Serving time is not the answer. The answer comes from any organization actively, and I mean actively, getting the younger generation interested and involved. Take a close look at NASCAR, IHRA, etc. and you'll begin to understand what has to be done. Talking here about these problems, seems to falling on deaf ears. Most don't like this type of criticism. I think it's needed in one form or another.

              You are cetainly knowledgeable about organizations life span and the cause of ultimate failures. Hope it doesn't happen here, but who knows.

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              • Dick W.
                Former NCRS Director Region IV
                • June 30, 1985
                • 10483

                #8
                Re: NCRS year 1999?

                Jim, thank you! Having co-chaired several regionals, I think that I share the flustration that most event chairs do in regards to the lack of attendance at the banquet. In our case, we have NEVER made a dime or intended to make money on the banquet. It is done to recognize the people that made the event possible, the car owners and judges. We do not have guest speakers, or get into a long diatribe. Just eat, honor the award recipients and judges and go home. It is very disappointing to call out several names and no one is there to receive the award.


                Dick Whittington

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