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  • Joe L.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • February 1, 1988
    • 43221

    #16
    Re: Big block rods

    Mark------

    The 1969 L-88/ZL-1 rods were not the same forging as the 1970-71 LS-6 rods. Both rods used 7/16" bolts (although, as you mentioned, different bolts were used), both had the "dimples", and both were forged from 4340 steel. However, the forgings were completely different.

    The L-88/ZL-1 rod was GM #3969804. It is the one with the ground shank boron steel bolts and it's the one machined for floating pins. It was discontinued from SERVICE a few years ago with a GM list price of about $200/each.

    The LS-6 rod was GM #3963552. It had the knurled shank rod bolts and was machined for press fit pins. It was used for 1970-71 LS-6 engines used in Chevelles (1970) and Corvettes (1971). It was also the rod scheduled to be used for 1970 LS-7 engines. Although none were built for PRODUCTION, the engines were manufactured for SERVICE and used the GM #3963552 rod.

    The GM #3963552 was discontinued from SERVICE in August 1986 and replaced by the GM #14096151. That rod was discontinued from SERVICE in March, 1992 and replaced by the GM #10198922 which remains available to this very day. All 3 of these rods have very similar beam profiles and other aspects of configuration. There were some modest improvements made with each design, but they're very difficult to discern with the eye. The GM #10198922 was also used for most PRODUCTION Mark VI engines.

    Basically, the LS-6 rods have most of the strength of the L-88/ZL-1 rod but with a lower mass.
    In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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    • Joe L.
      Beyond Control Poster
      • February 1, 1988
      • 43221

      #17
      Re: Big block rods

      Terry-----

      The connecting rods in your engine are the GM #3933174. These are a 3/8" rod bolt rods and were color-coded "orange". Have these rods magnaflux inspected, shotpeened, and re-sized and you have, essentially, the same rods as used for 1965-69 SHP big block applications (NOT the same as L-88/ZL-1, though). Have them fitted with ARP Wave-Lok rod bolts and they'll be better than the PRODUCTION SHP rods of days-of-old. PLENTY adequate for a street engine.
      In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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      • Terry F.
        Expired
        • September 30, 1992
        • 2061

        #18
        Re: Big block rods

        Music to my ears (eyes??). That is what I wanted to know. I just want reliable rods that are close to each other physically. Thanks Joe!

        Terry

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        • Joe L.
          Beyond Control Poster
          • February 1, 1988
          • 43221

          #19
          Re: Joe...and motor guys.....

          Verle-----

          The 2.02/1.60 heads of any casting number cannot be reliably retrofitted for hardened exhaust seats. EXACTLY the problem that you described often ensues. The 1.94/1.50 heads can usually be retrofitted without problems.
          In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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          • Terry F.
            Expired
            • September 30, 1992
            • 2061

            #20
            Re: Big block rods

            Joe, do you know the stock length of these rods off the top of your head?
            Thanks, Terry

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            • Joe L.
              Beyond Control Poster
              • February 1, 1988
              • 43221

              #21
              Re: Big block rods

              Terry-----

              ALL PRODUCTION big block rods through the Mark VI engine series have the same length----6.135".
              In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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