Archive Image Presevation-the first step

[Gerard F.]

I've been reading the threads on the Online Picture Preservation, and I think we are getting too complicated over the uses of the pictures and uses of them for judging. Although this is a noble endeavor, first step should be to at least to preserve the pictures and images which are posted on this forum on a permanent image site under NCRS control.

If you go back through some of the forum achives in years past and find a post which contains an explanatory photo, at least half the time, or maybe more in earlier posts, the photo is gone forever because the photo site or account is gone, or the poster has erased the photo to make room on the site for newer photos. This makes the archived thread sometimes useless, as the priceless information is gone.

How hard would it be to download the poster's posted image on this forum to a separate partition on the NCRS server, a separate hard disk or a separtate NCRS server. It doesn't have to be done intantaneously as the member posts a thread, perhaps once a week or after 20 days when admin archives the threads.
Go through the posted threads, download images to the NCRS site, then add the NCRS link to the posted thread in the text and crosslink the photo back to the post. A good computer geek could probably devise a parametric program to do this automatically without much human time involved.

If this was done, one would have a permanent record in the forum archives available to all who use the forum. If then in the future, the Team leaders or NCRS officials wanted to go through photo archives to determinine what is correct, or not and what to use for judging, they would have a crosslink back to the original post for further explanation. If they wanted to use the photo for publication they would also have a direct link back to the poster.

But I think step 1 should be taken first, it would seem to a be pretty cheap and easy first step to information preservation.

Jerry Fuccillo
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[mike cobine]

Re: Archive Image Presevation-the first step

I sent this picture to a guy tonight for reference to what his engine compartment should look like.

However, some would disallow it because it has errors. The distributor cap is red and the shielding is missing.

There are a few other items, however, they could easily be spelled out in a caption with it, so that the itesm that are correct could be archived for the future.

[Gerard F.]

Re: Archive Image Presevation-the first step

Mike,

If it were achived and then crosslinked back to your post, then the guy or viewer of the archive would know that there were incorrect items as noted in your post, or it is just a posted picture.

Just because it is an achived picture (related to a post) doesn't mean it is correct.

In my post, I was just proposing to preserve all posted pictures, some of them not even related to correctness or judging. Someone could then sort through them later for judging or annotation.

Regards,

Jerry Fuccillo

[Rob M.]

Re: Archive Image Presevation-the first step

The whole issue would be solved if this site would allow posting of pictures (and archiving them centrally on the forum server).

Just my 2.3 euro cents (inflation corrected),
Rob.

[Joseph T.]

Re: Archive Image Presevation-the first step

Mike

Nolands early restoration books have been the go to source for many years and he used pictures to tell stories and make a point.

When a picture had an obvious error..Noland pointed it out...in the picture caption.

No big deal.

Joe

[Rick S.]

Re: Archive Image Presevation-the first step

Jerry,
I am computer stupid (it takes me an hour each time I want to post a picture) so the terminology used is foreign to me but I sure do like your (and others) idea of having a photograph library.
Rick

[mike cobine]

Re: Archive Image Presevation-the first step

Joe, you get the wrong idea. I am all FOR archiving pictures and also building a judging photo archive. I am also FOR building the NCRS TMJG with photos, even if some items are incorrect, because I think you can gain information even through incorrect items.

If you could read some posts of mine from a few days ago, this is plain, however, some of NCRS management saw fit to delete some of my messages since I suggested that some of NCRS management is not only behind the times in the use of technology but actually counter-productive towards it.

I would mention names, but I think that was what flagged my messages to get deleted.

As a result, I think this is something that may have to be created outside the organization in order to succeed. I also think it is something that needs to be addressed soon before those who have the knowledge of what is visually correct and incorrect are gone. And those days are sooner than most think. Many older Corvette experts may not have died, but they will begin withdrawing from active participation. That has already happened.

[Joseph T.]

Noland did a great job 26 years ago

Mike..I was agreeing with you and pointing out..that one of the standards we have lived by for 26 years..has been the 1st edition Noland Adams book.

Imperfect but an excellant source of referance material..and when there was an obvious error in a picture used..Noland attempted to point it out.

As my grade school teacher said..answer all the easy questions first..it gives you more time to concentrate on the hard ones.

Joe

[Gerard F.]

Re: Archive Image Presevation-the first step

Rob,

I think directly uploading images with your post to the forum will slow things down in posting messages as well as doing a search, especially for us guys with dial-ups.

One of the good things about this site is that it is fast because the posts are just text messages with links to image sites where the image has been previously posted.

Right now you can post an image to the forum by either putting your image link in the text of the post, or paste it to the Optional Image URL at the bottom. If you have multiple images to post, you would put the additional one's as a link in the text.

My suggestion is to keep this procedure in using outside image sites when posting the message and image. However, when admin archives the threads, or say after a week, then the images are uploaded to an NCRS server, and the post and images cross referenced to each other with NCRS links.

If the NCRS image storage were hardwired to forum server, this might even result in an increase in speed. If a poster doesn't want the image archived, he has the option deleting the image from his image site prior to the post being archived by NCRS.

I'm afraid that uploading images directly to the forum within the post might frustrate a lot of members in the time consumed.

Just my 3 cents (US).

Regards,

Jerry Fuccillo
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[Rob M.]

Re: Archive Image Presevation-the first step

Hi Gerard,

Since I have a web-design background I can assure you, when the right measures are taken, no slow down of searching should be needed. I've build the C1, C2 and C3 registry which all three enables you to upload images directly and when the database is setup smartly and the web/database/file server is hosted at a decent service provider it wouldn't slow down a thing.

greetings,
Rob Musquetier
Bsc Computer Science

[Roy B.]

Re: Archive Image (ant going to happen )

In my life time? The 55 Corvette is what I know the best and other C1's I know but not as well as other members. I tell people to keep a photo record of pic's I post that pertain to their car. That is what every one here should do that that believe the person posting is correct. I have a 67 Coup and don't know much about what a part should look like or numbers SO I keep a file and save those pic's that a plies to my 67 by members posting pic. Then when I have time to check on my 67 I do, or re-post a saved pic I saved so I can also ask members their opinion as to right or wrong.
There is so much knowledge on this forum going to waste, for get NCRS building up some sort of library of pic. YOU DO IT! If I can and others asking me for pic's. WELL-you CAN!!!!!??????
We all know many things in the JM is wrong , so save pic's you or others know is correct, In time NCRS may catch up to you.You also know that you'v changed items that are original and installed items that are wrong just to meet the JM, but still kept them in a box.