63-65 FI air meter adapter screws

[John D.]

Re: My favorite weird FI fittings

Michael, If guys want black washers for the air meters no problem. If they want chrome washers no problem either. I have seen both cad and black washers from RP on NOS units. I would say though the most common color of the washers on the junkers that come in here for resto though is zincad. I apologize for giving undue credit on zincad. Did not know it was a swamp term by you and RJ. But seriously you have many more pics than I do. Someday I have to find my letter from Rochester Products that I sent them in the mid 70's. They sent it back listing all the finishes for 63 to 65 units. All the washers listed were multiple choice finishes. (Chrome was not listed)
Keep up the good work though. Your friend, John

[John D.]

Re: Dings can be appealed to the Team Leader

Gary, I didn't make a big deal out of the dings because my whole engine only lost 8 points. But I unofficially asked my friend CC about the screws and he did say they were correct as is. I am not knocking CC. I am asking the judges out there to recognize the fact that these screws are 5/8" long. I do believe though that the manual does mention how much thread is showing on the opposite side of the air meter. Will have to check the manual and a midyear unit and see how things jive. Think it's incorrect. The judge told me atthe show that he docked every FI car there for screws that are too long. So it was only one ding but a ding to my heart cause I have been making the kits for almost 30 years and by now should know something as basic as the length of a screw. But always willing to except change if it is indeed based on documentation. Always willing to admit to my mistakes also. I don't mind criticism and can't believe how many replies I have gotten to this post. Thanks, John

[G B.]

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[Michael H.]

Re: Vac Advance Clip, 63 FI

Thanks Alan. A pic would be appreciated. I have a few pic's of originals but more are always welcome. Also, the F.I. unit number if possible. I'd like to know when these wire style clips were eventually replaced with the flat metal style. I think cars to at least #3000 had the wire style.

[John D.]

Re: Shoot, I mind criticism.

Bramlett, Hearing that you butt is wrinkly is more info that as old guys on the DB wanna know. Tell Margaret to have 911 on standby. Nobody really likes criticism especially from the wife. Enough said. John

[Robert Jorjorian]

Re: My favorite weird FI fittings

Jr, thanks for giving the swamp credit for " zincad ". The word was born down here to shorten 2 words into 1 for decsribing a plating appearance.
Regarding plated washers verse blackened washers .....most units seen today have either been freshened up by owners or sent out to rebuilders, who for the most part ONLY use zincad washers. Anything is possible but it seems to me 63 units would be equally correct with black AM washers.

[John D.]

Re: Vac Advance Clip, 63 FI

Michael, I have always wondered when the wire clip was changed to the stamped steel clip. I am going to guess and say that when the unit went from the recessed nozzle blocks to the usual the clip changed at the same time. Don't see many of the wire clips. No one repros them abeit I have made a few by hand. Glad you mentioned this detail and hope it brings some response. You should have a new post of just this part. Maybe old Futo has some dope on this. Don't here from him much anymore. John

[Michael H.]

Re: Vac Advance Clip, 63 FI

John,

I originally thought that also but there are a lot of good pic's of new cars that have both the early wire style clip for the vac line but have the later "filled" area under the nozzle holder. In the 70's, I stared seeing cars in the 3000 # range that had the wire instead of the clip. The pic that I posted earlier is one such example.

[John D.]

Re: Vac Advance Clip, 63 FI

Michael, I like your answer on the clip. Trouble is no one makes the thing. I like it a lot better than the later style because it is more forgiving. The repro vac adv lines (spark tube) seldom fit. Takes a lot of bending. The wire clamp makes a neater appearance. So it was used on cars to at least 3000. Sounds like a good number for a start. Keep the pics coming Michael, John

[Michael H.]

Re: Vac Advance Clip, 63 FI

Just sent you a closeup of a line/wire clip that I removed decades ago. Should be easy for you to reproduce.

[John D.]

Re: My favorite weird FI fittings

Sr. Ok you swamp guys have convinced me. Black washers rule. Easy thing to do you know. No big deal. If you southern boys like black washers and think they were original its an easy fix. Should be in the JM though. But 63 air meter washers are not easy to change on the car are they. Especially the left top corner. One Dr I know will be using a magic marker. Can see it all now. Black washers with an oil preservative don't last long you know. Get rusty over time. So no one thinks that shiny washers were ever used. Wrong way to think you know Robert. Thought I trained you better. Must be the influence of the Gold Coast guy. Anyhow I will put some black washers in the plastic bag in near future.

[G B.]

I rebuke myself.

I should never have posted such a non-technical message on this, the most sacred of all technical boards.

Here's something technical to replace it: I also like the '62 blackened steel throttle butterflies. I think they're cute.

[Robert Jorjorian]

Re: My favorite weird FI fittings

John, once they rust they will look even better. In the swamp EVERYTHING rusts and we've been seeing them rusty for a long time. At the very least black washers should be accepted equally with plated ones. Swamp boys are still waiting for your pics of plated ones (OLD pics JD... prior to 66 ! )RJ

[G B.]

Correction

All this talk about blackened air meter lock washers made me go look at my own 7375 unit again. This is unit #2060 originally installed on '63 #7348. I rebuilt it about 10 years ago, but I left it looking like it did when purchased. I re-installed all of the original fasteners.

It has blackened air meter lock washers. I just never noticed before.

[John D.]

Re: Correction

Jerry and Jorjorian (SR), I promise that as soon as the 10,000 cad plated 5/16 washers I have are used up I will go and get another 10G's plated black. Meanwhile suggest shoe polish on them. Or send them to the swamp and they will turn black. You know MH's pics were all taken in swamp conditions. That's why they are black. Tru story. Heard it from Jorjorian. He said his orignal 63 used to have shiny washers and they turned black just from being next to the Atlantic. Move to SW Corner of PA J&J and you won't have these problems. Both of you live on the salt water capitals of the world. Mobile and East coast. Brrrr. Too hot for me. Ruins the plating. Turns it all black. Shiny much better. CC likes shiny stuff. Told me so so must be true. Back to work, John