I have a friend who owns a 65 coupe with fuel injection. I believe it is a mid March car. It appears in all respects to be a real car, including the vin stamped on the fuel unit. His fuel unit is serial number is 3020 and another individual who claims to know, says that the last units only went to 2900 plus. Can any one shed light on whether this is correct information? I looked in the archives but was unable to locate any posts related to this. Thanks
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Well, you had 771 for sure in '65, and probably 80-90% of the 1325 FI cars built in 1964, plus a few service units, using just the production numbers, you would come up with a serial number range of 2963 on the high side or 2831 on the low side, so 2900 (remember started at 1001 for first unit)the 2900 number is likely reasonable, a serial number on the tag over 3000 would be unusual at the least. John D may have some better numbers.Bill Clupper #618 -
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I have a July 65 built car with unit number 3121. I have owned the car 35 years. JerryComment
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Jerry, the unknown is how many service units were done, I agree that I have seen originals into the 31xx numbers, the service units (which could have been built at any time in the serial number range) is the exact number I'm missing. I've seen enough NOS units over the last 30 years or so to know that there were more than just a handful of service units that would push the number on the last production car unit upward.Bill Clupper #618Comment
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Hello Rob, Bill & Jerry,
Rochester made 67 service units model 7017380 through out the years 1964-1965. The coupe VIN range is 12XXX to 13,XXX for the unit number 3020 for the blue coupe. Jerry's red conv VIN 21,8XX unit 3121.
I have been doing research on 1964 and 1965 FI Corvettes. Please click on my name to see user profile for information.
Thank you,
Drew PapsunComment
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HI Drew, Old friend where do you get the number of 67 service units throughout 64 and 65. I feel sure that number MAY be quite low. Frank Scibica once told me that the midyear service units sold like hot cakes thru Chev Parts. I asked him how many 7380 units did he think were sold and he said no one will ever know. I said what do you mean by that statement and I did not get a good answer. He did say the bean counters were trying to make up for lost income as they lost money on almost every FI they sold. I complained once to my old friend Frank that the NOS midyear units seemed to be made up of parts as they had mismatched castings and odd ball stuff. He said remember what I told you John. Said that they were using up old castings. I own a NOS 63 that has a 65 plenum from RP that is numbered into the low 4000's. As far as what you said about numbers I have seen 65's with high numbers Drew. I know of my that is 3483. That's my highest 7380. As far as the 7375R units I have seen them in the low 40XX numbers. I never disagree with you and you know that. Been friends a long time. But your reported number of 67 7380 service units is way way low. Good thing we are not talking about 62's. We will never know how many of those were made. Take care, John D. (didn't check Nolands nice book when talking about the above)Comment
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HI Jerry, I have restored several units supposedly on original FI cars as the plenums were stamped (not restamps) I am going to omit the last digit for security reasons. I do not have good records cause no help and I spend too much time on this DB. But I have been involved with 313X 316X 348X. Maybe others but didn't write them down. Logic doesn't seem to apply to these numbers it seems. By that dumb statement I mean that they did not follow a logical sequence but if you sorta look through the rain drops you can see a progression of numbers throughout the era although once in a while a low (bogus) number throws the theory off. Thanks again for the info on running good fuel to stop the percolation problems on our old FI's. I have shown your email to hundreds of people. My 63 runs nice with high octane fuel and doesn't falter if it gets too hot outside. Course it only has about 4 hours on the rebuild engine. Got the idle down to 875-900 and it sounds mean at idle now. Started off with a 1000 plus idle till the engine loosened up a bit. Take care, JohnComment
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John,
I don't have my stack of "Restorers" with me, but I seem to recall an early article by John Amgert listing GM sources for the number of service units. Sixty-seven sticks in my mind as correct. If someone wants to look this up, start checking around '77-'78-'79 era. BillComment
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Hello John,
The source is from "The Best of The Corvette Restorer" Vol 1 - Vol 5 (1953-1967). Fuel Injection Production Figures by John Amgwert pages 23 - 25. Chart compiled by Jon Blanchette page 24.
Regards,
Drew PapsunComment
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Hi Drew, Glad you pointed out the source to me. Now I understand and am sorry if I barked at you a little bit. I haven't reserched the numbers thing. Just personal observation and heresay through the last 1/2 century (almost). So my stuff wouldn't hold up in court. Just school of hard knocks. Keep up the good work Drew. Your presistence with the surveys over the last twenty plus years has been a tru asset to our favorite hobby. SO now I gave you free plug and again sorry to dispute your numbers.
Just how long have you been in the survey "business". As long as I have known you I bet. Met you in mid 80's at a meet somewhere. I believe I just remembered. You called me about an original black fuel car that a state cop and son (also a state cop) owned back here in town. Moe and John. No there was not a Curly-- Clem. Clem you know who we are talking about. JohnComment
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Hello John,
I have owned my 1965 FI Tuxedo Black with black leather coupe for 23 years. It was sold new at C. Powell Chevrolet in Washington, PA. I have doing research for a long time of Corvettes.
Regards,
Drew PapsunComment
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Bill, My old friend said the published #'s were not correct but I better keep quiet cause he is not here and is most likely looking down on us shaking his head. Miss him a lot as he was my mentor for an eon. Nice little Italian guy who worked at RP from late 57 to early 80's. Frank Sciabica. Said to me that they sold a ton of over the counter mid year units. Does 67 sound like a ton.??That's a mere sampling. Probably sold more than that myself. But who knows. Know one thing though. Did a lot of units over the years that didn't come with the car. More than 67 I am sure. And I am just one guy. I know you have restored your share and then the list grows. Jerry is doing a wonderful job for sure. John Amwert and Brian Futo did a wonderful job as well as others did on the old FI articles. Used to xerox them and refer to them. Miss my old friend Brian as he doesn't call much anymore. Only when he is trying to unload Pontiac FI crap. JohnComment
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John, Drew, etc.,
For what it is worth, my '65 fi unit has a serial no. of 1830. This is for an April car sn 14713. I have owned the car for 10yrs and believe it was restored about 1990. The serial number for the car that is stamped onto the side of the unit looks too much like that on the block pad for me to believe it was faked in 1990. It is a Glen Green black leather coupe.
GeorgeComment
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