1969 Zl-1 Decals

[John H.]

Re: 1969 Zl-1 Decals

The white car has zero documentation, which distances it significantly from the other two, both of which are fully factory-documented.

[Steve Wallach]

Re: 1969 Zl-1 Decals

John,

Which "two" are you talking about? The Yellow one owned by Richard Jude in Florida is the only ZL-1 I know of with factory documentation? There were two reported built and sold. The White car with different stripes is out here in California. Rick Bizzoco, author of "The 69 Stingray" has researched that car also and feels it's controversial at best. He has researched and documented the Yellow one owned by Richard Jude, and he has inspected my car and GM documentation (mine is NOT a ZL-1, but rather a 68 L-71 that came from the Tech Center with the ZL-1 stripe on the nose before the ZL-1s were produced).

Regards,

Steve

[Art A.]

Re: 1969 Zl-1 Decals

John, do you know if the white one is the same white one that was once owned by Otis Chandler?

[John H.]

Re: 1969 Zl-1 Decals

Art -

The "white" one is in the Kevin Suydam collection - he bought it from an IRS agent; don't know who owned it before that, but it has no documentation.

The fully-documented "yellow" one is owned by Roger Judski ("Roger's Corvettes" in Florida), and was George Heberling's company car when he was the Resident Engineer at St. Louis. The other fully-documented one has been owned since new by John Maher, and I believe it was sold recently.

[Art A.]

Re: 1969 Zl-1 Decals

John, The reason I ask is that when I was still working, I was asked to research a white ZL-1 from someone very high in the GM pecking order, who will remain nameless. It turned out that Otis was interested in buying a white ZL-1 and wanted to know if GM had any documentation on said car------it pays to know someone in high places! Anyway, I did some research and couldn't find anything on it and recommended that Otis pass. I heard latter, that he bought the car anyway. I have also heard, a few years ago, that he sold it.

[Joe L.]

Re: 1969 Zl-1 Decals

Art------

Yes, the white ZL-1 was once owned by Otis Chandler and was housed at his once-privete, then public museum in Oxnard, CA. He sold it to Kevin Suydam in Washington state. I think that it may have been sold again, but I'm not sure of that.

The nose "striping" on this car is completely different from the striping on the yellow ZL-1. The latter car has striping which pretty much matches that seen in the AIM.

[Steve Wallach]

Re: 1969 Zl-1 Decals

Joe,

The "nose stripe" on my 68 matches the Yellow ZL-1. I have dated photos which show the car in Feb. 69 with the stripes along with Tech Center documentation showing the car was owned by the Tech Center then.

Regards,

Steve

[Art A.]

Re: 1969 Zl-1 Decals

Steve, Don't take this wrong-----I'm not questing your docs, I'm just curious, as I worked at Chevrolet Engineering and would be interested in what you have.

Art

[Joe L.]

Re: 1969 Zl-1 Decals

Steve-----

I could understand why, for a lot of possible reasons, the tech center may have "tried out" the ZL-1 striping on a non-ZL-1.

What I do not now and never did understand is the "striping" on the white ZL-1. It does not conform to the striping configuration described in the AIM. I would have expected that the car would have had either the striping described in the AIM or no striping, at all. The configuration of the striping on the white ZL-1 has always bothered me. Regardless of the fact that it does not conform to the AIM, it just does not look like a "factory-type" configuration.

[Steve Wallach]

Re: 1969 Zl-1 Decals

Hi Art,

I have had former GM Tech Center / Engineer Employees authenticate the docs before, and I'd be glad to e-mail copies to you.

I have an original registration showing the GM Tech Center as the origianl owner and being transfered to the GM Employee and his friend who actually wound up owning the car for more than 35 years.

I also have a Tech Ceneter "check in sheet" which shows the options, miles, and disount upon sale of the car. this document is basically a build sheet as it shows the motor number, options, etc.

I also have dated original photographs of the car and original owner back in Feb. 69 when he took delivery. I have photos throughout the cars life (so far) as well.

The car was a Driver and the original owner had never paid attention or heard of the ZL-1 until the 80s.

Regards,

Steve

[Art A.]

Re: 1969 Zl-1 Decals

Sure, e-mail them, I'd like to see them.

Art

[Steve Wallach]

Re: 1969 Zl-1 Decals

Art,

Your e-mail seems to either be down, or the files are too large?

Steve

[Art A.]

Re: 1969 Zl-1 Decals

Steve, I got your first e-mail via NCRS site and replied my address to you.

My e-mail is working fine. Try it again.

Art

[Joseph T.]

Re: 1969 Zl-1 Decals

Steve

Years ago..I talked to a guy that said he painted the stripe on the yellow ZL1..as the factory touch up guy.

This was during an interview I did of the guy that worked the trim tag machine starting in '63 and he and the touch up guy and others car pooled from Washington, Missouri..about an hour commute..to the Plant everyday for years.

Can you e-mail me a picture of your car?

Joe

[Joseph T.]

Re: 1969 Zl-1 Decals

John

There was an interesting story written on the white car 20 + years ago that commented it was ( probably )originally an L88...but who knows.

Joe