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  • Duke W.
    Beyond Control Poster
    • January 1, 1993
    • 15677

    B-J Lot 1312 Pontiac Banshee

    This one goes right after 53-003. I mention it because I saw this car (or its twin) when I was at Pontiac in 1968. After my mentor helped me find the engines from the circa '64 Hot Rod cover (in a heap in the basement of the engineering building) he mentioned Pontiac's stillborn sports car.

    He took me out to the back lot of the engineering building and there were several large crates - big enough for a low car, but not tall enough to stand up in. The two Banshees were in two of these crates. We opened one up to see the car. I recall thinking that it was a cross between an Opel GT and a '68 Corvette, and my mentor mentioned that corporate vetoed the idea because they thought it might cannibalize the Corvette. The base model with the OHC inline six MSRP would have been about $3500, and there was room for a V-8.

    I was really surprised back in the eighties when I read that one had gotten into the public domain. I recall that they were built circa '66, but B-J lists them as "1964".

    Another interesting, but macabre story of this foray was the Tempest convertible. The story was that it was used to shoot a commericial that resulted in the death of a female model. She was to drive toward a camera boom that was to swing away at the last moment, but it didn't, and she was decapitated.

    My mentor did technical research for the corporate legal staff and testified in lawsuits as an engineering expert witness. He knew where a lot of skeltons were stashed away and had some great war stories including customer complaint letters. One I recall was from a guy from Brooklyn, and he wrote exactly the way a working class Brooklynite talks - not quite the way I was taught to write English.

    Duke
  • john daly

    #2
    Re: B-J Lot 1312 Pontiac Banshee

    Duke,
    i met the owner of the Banshee last year at a meeting in Detroit. The story goes that his father who also worked for GM was after the car for quite a while after its useful life (to GM) was over in the 70's. The Pontiac chief engineer at the time eventually relented and he bought the car.....the family has owned the car since.

    jd

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    • Mark Milner

      #3
      Re: B-J Lot 1312 Pontiac Banshee

      When I first saw the Banshee in AutoWeek back in the late '70s/early 80s, I thought two things - no way would Chevrolet let Pontiac make that, and too bad Pontiac hadn't made it, because Corvette would have become so much better than it is.

      Great looking car. I'm surprised it never made the kit car circuit.

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      • John H.
        Beyond Control Poster
        • December 1, 1997
        • 16513

        #4
        Re: B-J Lot 1312 Pontiac Banshee

        The Banshee was supposed to have been shown to the public at the 1967 Chicago Auto Show, but GM Chairman Fredric Donner (who had just suffered much humiliation by having to apologize publicly in a Congressional hearing to Ralph Nader for siccing detectives on him) was told the night before the Show opened that the word "Banshee" meant "black screaming death", and he directed that the car be removed overnight from the show and never shown to anyone. It was yanked during the night and its display was quickly revised to show an Oldsmobile of some sort the following day when the show opened.

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        • Duke W.
          Beyond Control Poster
          • January 1, 1993
          • 15677

          #5
          Re: B-J Lot 1312 Pontiac Banshee

          Quoting from the Random House Collegiate dictionary, definition of banshee:

          "(in Irish folklore) a spirit in the form of a woman whose appearacne or wailing is a sign that a loved one will soon die".

          Not quite as visceral as what Donner was told, but maybe not the best name for a car!

          I think Chevrolet Division was determined to kill any internal competitor to the Corvette. As I said, there was room for a V-8 in the engine room. The running gear was A-body (Tempest), so it has a solid axle, but with a V-8 Pontiac could have offered a two-seat sports car with comparable performance to a Corvette for considerably less MSRP.

          Duke

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