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  • Lee S.
    Very Frequent User
    • September 30, 2002
    • 156

    Power Steering - More Help Please!

    Copied below is my message from Tuesday, September 6, 2005 and the responses I received. Thanks for your ideas. It seemed that the concept of the nut backing off was possible. It didn't seem tight to begin with. I did follow Gary Schisler's recomendation and replaced the lock nut with a new one. The control valve was re-balanced exactly as described in the Chassis Service Manual. The new lock nut has a snug fit.

    The current condition is almost a complete lack of power steering assist. Left side turning has minimal assist... estimated 20%. Right side turns have zero assist. I have balanced the valve three times and the result is always the same. It should be noted that the original condition of the steering wheel turning violently to the left no longer exists. The original valve was replaced because of leaks.

    Other information: P/Strg Belt is in good condition, pump is quiet with no whine, fluid levels are normal, hoses are intact with no kinks, binding, or leaks, and the power cylinder is new last summer.

    Please help. I am really frustrated with this and out of options.

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    Power Steering - Help!
    Lee Snyder -- Tuesday, 6 September 2005, at 6:24 a.m.

    About a month ago I replaced the power steering control valve on my 1974 Coupe (Big Block/Auto/AC/PB) because the current one leaked excessively. All installation instuctions were followed and the unit properly balanced. I have driven the car about 500 miles since then without difficulty.

    Yesterday (Labor Day) we decided to go for a drive. My wife wanted to drop off something at someone's home at the other end of our subdivision. The car drove fine there. I stopped, turned off the engine and went in with her to say hello. About 10 minutes later I re-started the car to leave. The steering wheel was almost yanked from my hands turning to the left. I could hardly turn it to the right. Needless to say, we crept home very slowly.

    After checking fluid levels, steering linkage, etc. I decided to re-balance the valve which was now way out of adjustmnet. Upon completion, the car had neutral steering for about 100 feet and returned to the same condition. I put it back into the garage where it now sits. The control valve was new and purchased from one of the Corvette suppliers here in the north Detroit suburbs.

    Any thoughts. I hate to pull the valve out unless I know for certain it is bad as the seal will be ruined.

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    Re: Power Steering - Help!
    Wayne 722 -- Tuesday, 6 September 2005, at 7:13 a.m.

    Is the balance adjustment nut backing off? If so, try a jam nut.

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    Power Steering - Help!
    Lee Snyder -- Tuesday, 6 September 2005, at 7:17 a.m.

    Yes... I think it is. If there is enough thread, I'll try. Suppose I could peg the threads with a punch also as a last resort.

    Thanks for the idea.

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    Re: Power Steering - Help!
    Gary H. Schisler -- Tuesday, 6 September 2005, at 8:05 a.m.

    If there isn't enough space to put another nut on to lock the adjustment nut, then pull that one off and go to your favorite full service hardware store. Buy a lock nut of the same size and pitch and use that. It won't back off that way.
    Gary
  • William C.
    NCRS Past President
    • May 31, 1975
    • 6037

    #2
    Re: Power Steering - More Help Please!

    If it were me, I would be trying an new valve assembly, with special attention to the spring in the valve. Corvettes use a different spring than pass car and I believe the symptoms you describe are associated with this spring. I don't know what source you used for your valve, but I got one from Bair's a couple of years ago, installed it and needed no adjustments.
    Bill Clupper #618

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    • Lee S.
      Very Frequent User
      • September 30, 2002
      • 156

      #3
      Re: Power Steering - More Help Please!

      Thanks for your response Bill. The valve was purchased from Vette Products of Michigan and is new, not rebuilt. The valve is manufactured by Lonestar Caliper Company.

      Is the power steering system using the control valve and power cylinder unique to Corvette? I thought other GM cars provided the assist direct to the steering box?

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      • Jack H.
        Extremely Frequent Poster
        • April 1, 1990
        • 9906

        #4
        Re: Power Steering - More Help Please!

        Other passenger cars did use the same generic power assist (vs. power steering) setup (you have to go back in time to the late 50's early 60's), but Corvette was always unique being a performance car. It's true that the 'guts' of the control valve are unique to Corvette and factory original control valves were marked/identified (an 'X' on the dust cap covering the adjuster) to distinguish the Corvette part from passenger car. What's unique is the return springs used inside.

        Putting a passenger car control valve on a Corvette generally leads to a 'twitchy' handling profile even when you've made the over-center adjustment properly. Now, both Vette Products and Lonestar Caliper are 'pro' firms who understand the unique features/requirements of Corvette. But, that doesn't say they NEVER goof up or ship an 'opps' product.

        I'd suggest you go back to the source and discuss your warranty alternatives...

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        • Lee S.
          Very Frequent User
          • September 30, 2002
          • 156

          #5
          Re: Power Steering - More Help Please!

          Thanks Jack - Your comments support my hunch. Unless there is an different view presented, I think I'll give Neil Porter a call (Vette Products). I only live about five minutes away. They have always treated me well. The control valve is only 30 days old.

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          • Harmon C.
            Extremely Frequent Poster
            • August 31, 1994
            • 3228

            #6
            Re: Power Steering - More Help Please!

            Lee
            As close as you live to Vette Products I would make a personal vist with my Corvette if you can drive it and be safe. Let them decide what part is bad.

            Lyle
            Lyle

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            • Lee S.
              Very Frequent User
              • September 30, 2002
              • 156

              #7
              Re: Power Steering - More Help Please!

              Great idea... only if it is all left turns! You not only fight the weight of the big block but, you also have the hydraulic force of the p/s going the opposite direction against you. I can hardly move it in and out of the garage. Thanks again. As always, I appreciate your comments.

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              • Chas Henderson #28127

                #8
                Re: Power Steering - More Help Please!

                Lee, did you install new hoses? If the inside of the hoses are bad, little pieces can clog up the valve and even mess up the pump. You can guess how I know this. It took me several time of tearing down the pump and valve to get all the pieces out. Then it workef fine. Just a nother thing to check for.

                Chasman

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                • Lee S.
                  Very Frequent User
                  • September 30, 2002
                  • 156

                  #9
                  Re: Power Steering - More Help Please!. FIXED!

                  Yesterday (9/8), Vette Products of Michigan very graciously exchanged the Lone Star Caliper P/S valve for another new Lone Star Caliper valve. I installed it last night. Based on John Hinckley's advise, I assumed the new valve to be pre-balanced and did not attempt balancing as directed in the instructions. The power steering now operates smoothly again. I guess this was just an unlucky situation. My thanks to Neil Porter at Vette Products of MI.

                  Seperate note... what an absolute PIA to get the valve stud out of the pitman arm. The original valve only took two bandaids worth of hits with a big hammer on the pickle fork. Last night, I hit that S.O.B. for more than an hour and I think I broke a finger when the pickle fork jammed it against the spindle. There has got to be a better way!

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                  • John H.
                    Beyond Control Poster
                    • December 1, 1997
                    • 16513

                    #10
                    Re: Power Steering - More Help Please!. FIXED!

                    On the line (at St. Louis and Willow Run), we subassembled the entire system out in the open on a bench adjacent to the line (complete steering linkage, control valve, power cylinder, hoses, etc.) and the pitman arm-to-valve stud and nut were nice and accessible that way . We also pre-bled the system on the same bench, including cycling the system through full travel, pre-set the tie rod sleeves in a centering fixture built into the assembly/bleeding bench, capped the pump end of the hoses, and installed it that way. Production control valves were pre-balanced - we hardly ever touched one.

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