Please talk me into or out of DOT 5 in my C1 *NM*

[bruce11495]

Re: DON'T use DOT 5 for racing

Mike....Don't for get Castrol GT LMA ( low moisture absorbancy) I've seen it used more than any other brand, It was used in Trans Am almost exclusively when I worked on a team in the late 80's. I've used it on my slalom car for years and in any cars I did for customers. Castrol has another "flavour" out now, its quite expensive and I see it used in all forms of racing now. One of the car magazines had done a comparison of all the fluids and LMA and Ford were right at the top............

[Michael H.]

Re: here is my 2 cents worth

I'm with Clem on this deal. I sure don't know much about silicone brake fluid but I do know that in all the years that I've had conventional fluid in all of my vehicles, I've never had any of the problems that others have described. I use fresh fluid when I service the system and keep it closed after service. I still have all of the original brake lines on my 63 and 66 and I don't even flush the system every four years like I'm supposed to. I still think the silicone fluid thing is a hoax. I see absolutely no advantage.

Michael

[Mike McKown]

Re: here is my 2 cents worth

The main advantage for Corvette pleasure drivers is that Dot 5 will not eat your paint when you spill it. If you have a drum brake C-2 and don't have to bleed your brakes every week, there is no advantage.

I use Dot 5 in everything I have (old stuff) just because I don't worry about paint damage.

[Joe L.]

Re: here is my 2 cents worth

Mike-----

Yup. I discovered years ago just how fast glycol fluid will destroy paint if it gets on it. It's just plain amazing. It will mar it in seconds. Of course, everyone says that they're real careful and that it will never happen to them. That's what I said once, too.

[Grant M.]

Re: here is my 2 cents worth

My experience:
65 convertible: restored with new lines, master cylinder and stainless calipers in 1987 and filled then with DOT 5 and never flushed or refilled. Stored in damp/cold garage 8-9 months/year and driven regularly in the summers. No leaks, no soft pedal.

78 coupe: bought used in 1998 and stored/driven as with the 65: replaced three of four calipers (with stainless sleeved calipers) due to major leaks and loss of brake fluid (DOT 3). Expect fourth to go at any time... Only the fact that this car is an unrestored pure "driver" prevents me from going to the trouble of flushing and converting to DOT 5; although there is an argument that the switch to stainless sleeved calipers alone will solve most of the leakage problems.

[Michael H.]

Re: here is my 2 cents worth

Good point Mike. When filling a master cyl and fluid splashes, it ALWAYS heads for the body paint.

http://www.freeloadmp3.com/

[mike cobine]

Re: here is my 2 cents worth

The part about brake fluid heading to the paint is easy to understand, but the link you sent escapes me.

[mike cobine]

That is a heck of a Trojan you have there

I saw your message for about 5 seconds before it disappeared.

If you don't have them, download Lavasoft Ad-Aware and run it. Also download Spybot - Search & Destroy.

Be sure you get Lavasoft Ad-Aware as there is a clone that is NOT what you want with nearly the same name.

After you install, do the updates, then run them both separately.

I hope you have a recent copy of your Registry. I keep a copy around in case of attacks like this so I can reinstall a known good copy. They get in there and mess you up forever.

Sorry to everyone else for the off topic, but whatever he has probably makes him unsafe to deal with directly and this may be the only way he can see this info.

Good luck.

[Michael H.]

Re: That is a heck of a Trojan you have there

Mike,

I'm back on the old computer so it's safe to post again. I run Lavasoft and Ad-Aware at least once a week and I also run the Microsoft anti spyware program every night, automatically, at 4:oo AM. This is a brand new trojan and, as usual, none of the "anti" programs are set up to deal with it yet.

It changed my home page and I can't change it back. It also changed my desktop to some anti spyware deal. Obviously, it also adds little messages and links to things I post on the DB. It's a pretty serious trojan from what I understand. It's linked to a site called AntivirusGold and they are the people responsible for all of this. I'm old and pretty laid back, now, but if I get my hands on the weisels that did this, I'm going to try, very politely, to show him just how much I appreciate this.

I've never had any serious spyware or trojans in all the years that I've been messin with the internet. This is the first.

Here's a link that will explain how to remove AntivirusGold from A system if anyone else happens to be lucky enough to come across this.

www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/pest/pest.aspx?id=453094194

I haven't run the removal program yet but I will this evening. Hope it works.

[Mike McKown]

Re: That is a heck of a Trojan you have there

That sounds just like what was in my computer. It did everything you just described. I had the Ad-ware too and it didn't stop it.

If you get your hands on these people and need help let me know.

Mike

[Michael H.]

Re: That is a heck of a Trojan you have there

How did you get rid of it Mike? Hope you didn't have to dump everything and start over. Hopefully, Microsoft will come up with a fix, soon.

Sorry guys, I know I'm not supposed to be discussing computers here on the Corvette DB.

[Mike McKown]

Re: That is a heck of a Trojan you have there

I PAID someone to fix it. He installed something new from Microsoft. Some kind of spyware. He made some other changes too but I don't know what they were. If you can't find out what to do let me know and I'll ask him. Cost me $50 bucks to fix it.

I don't know what he removed from my computer, I just got it back. Wish you luck.

Mike

[Jim D.]

Re: here is my 2 cents worth

On EVERY car I restore, I replace ALL the brake lines and hoses and use silicone brake fluid. I've never had a problem in 30 years. Michael, your cars are a ticking time bomb. Brakes lines and hoses rot from the inside out. The next time you have to stand on the brakes hard may be the time you blow out a line and hit whatever is in front of you. I would never even consider driving a car with 40 year old lines and hoses. Please research silicone fluid with people who know what they are talking about before call it a "hoax". Jim

[Bill Stephenson]

Re: here is my 2 cents worth

Jim,

-----We all know the posatives and negatives of silicone brake fluid. Really the only major posative is that it doesnt screw up your paint. Believe me when I say if Mike H uses non-silicone brake fluid I would have absolutely no problem doing the same. I was lucky enough to have worked along side Mike for a few years. Mike used to tune up fuelies at our shop by ear from 40 feet away. He is, hands down, one of the best mechanics I have ever known. Back at Classic Motors his mechanical expertise was unquestioned. He was doing body off restos before Corvette nuts even knew you could separate the frame from the body. I will go so far as to say "if Mike says silicone brake fluid is a hoax it is"!............Bill S

[Michael H.]

Re: here is my 2 cents worth

I agree, completely, that all of the 40 year old lines should be changed but I don't know if I agree that silicone fluid would have extended their life at all. I was just trying to make a point about the differences between the two fluids. Silicone, acording to several people, can actually make the problem worse because of the puddling, or buildup in the low areas. I'm just not convinced it's really better, or worth the aggrevation.