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  • Steven J. Neel

    1960 wheel Judging-Dogbone cutout ?

    If a 1960 Corvette has wheels that appear to be correct as far as painting and nubs to accept both styles of hubcaps , but don't have the dogbone cutouts in the back tabs of the rims, how would these wheels be judged at a national level. would they be accepted as originals or...........? what would the point deduction be on originally and the point deduction on condition ?
  • Dennis C.
    NCRS Past Judging Chairman
    • January 1, 1984
    • 2409

    #2
    My opinion...Don't worry about...

    ...the lack of "dogbones". I have yet to be convinced about exactly what usage "dogbone" wheels actually had - and I've seen quite a number of dated wheels without that cutout that fit much of C-1 usage. I believe the jury may still be out on this particular issue. Best, Dennis

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    • Chris H.
      Very Frequent User
      • April 30, 1990
      • 817

      #3
      Re: My opinion...Don't worry about...

      I have been doing a little investigation into this. The dogbones are not noted in the '60 JGM.

      But from hearsay on this site I believe that dogbones were used on some early '60 vettes. I cannot prove this though, but I think dogbones were used on late '56 thru early '60. Does anyone have original wheels that are otherwise or data?

      Are your wheels spotwelded? I assume they are. Are they dated? Need to look inside the tire rim.

      Chris

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      • Steven J. Neel

        #4
        Re: My opinion...Don't worry about...

        Chris, I have been told by several members of the board that make the Jg that they don't have enough room to put all the information in the guide. I was also told that if you go to a national event, they do look for the dogbone cutouts in the wheels. All documented 1958-1960 original cars that i have seen ALL have the welded dogbone cut-out wheels.By the way all my welded wheels are dated and signed kelsey-hayes, have the dogbone cutouts, both hubcaps functions.

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        • Steven J. Neel

          #5
          Re: By the way.......

          Still can't figure out why the jury would still be out on this question after 45 years or more.......sounds like our criminal system

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          • Dennis C.
            NCRS Past Judging Chairman
            • January 1, 1984
            • 2409

            #6
            OK Steven, If you have it all figured out and ...

            ...documented, why'd you ask the question?

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            • Chris H.
              Very Frequent User
              • April 30, 1990
              • 817

              #7
              Re: My opinion...Don't worry about...

              Steve, what are the dates on your dogbone wheels? My 62 car came with one dogbone wheel and unfortunately the year is not stamped. only a 6 month code.

              chris

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              • Steven J. Neel

                #8
                Re: My opinion...Don't worry about...

                Dennis.........because i saw a judging and they gave the car owner full credit for wheels without dogbones.

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                • Dennis C.
                  NCRS Past Judging Chairman
                  • January 1, 1984
                  • 2409

                  #9
                  So, what conclusion are you prepared...

                  to draw from a single judging, on a single car, at a single event, and what does that prove that we can now include in our NCRS TIM&JG??? Just curious...

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                  • Chris H.
                    Very Frequent User
                    • April 30, 1990
                    • 817

                    #10
                    Re: My opinion...Don't worry about...

                    I do not think I was clear here. I do not believe the dogbone wheel is original to my car.

                    I had 3 undated riveted wheels with the only marking a G M in the lower outer part of the bolt circle which may be off Chevrolet/Vettes of 49-56 or some other older GM car. Also a '53 wheel and the welded dogbone wheel above.

                    As far as dogbone usage, Dale Pearman (archives) stated that in '56 wheels were made at 2 different KH plants with 2 different sets of tools. One had dogbones and one did not. In '56 Dale believed the wheels mostly came from the plant w/o dogbones and were riveted. The other plant did have the dogbones and since they are found on later vettes made their way sometime on vettes. The question is when? The part number changed for '56 to the same two part numbers used until '62. I believe both these part numbers were welded. So when did the dogbone/welded/double hump wheels start being used on vettes?

                    Chris

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