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  • Richard S.
    Very Frequent User
    • November 1, 1994
    • 809

    Judging points deduct.

    Is my understanding correct with respect to the judging point deductions for the following: Correct casting and date for a block with blank pad is 175 point deduct? CE block is 350 point deduct? Mileage driven credit can compensate for these deducts? Thanks.
  • Roy S.
    Past National Judging Chairman
    • July 31, 1979
    • 1025

    #2
    Re: Judging points deduct.

    Rick,


    A CE block that was the correct casting number dated after the car build would be a 175 point deduct.


    A correct casting number and date with original broach marks and blank pad would be a 50 point deduct.


    A correct casting number and date with the pad surfaced decked would be 88 points.


    I know this is confusing, the "Judging Referenc Manual" does a fair job of explaining the standard deductions.


    Good luck



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    • Richard S.
      Very Frequent User
      • November 1, 1994
      • 809

      #3
      Re: Judging points deduct.

      Yes,it's very hard to follow as is the reasoning but I'll keep at it until I understand . What I am trying to find out is: 1) What is the deduct for CE block with 512 casting instead of 351 with 69 cast date instead of 67 with CE number stamped on pad with broach marks? Can mileage driven credit compensate for this deduct? Thanks.

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      • Chuck B.
        Very Frequent User
        • July 31, 1989
        • 226

        #4
        Re: Judging points deduct.

        Rick, The deduct for the incorrect casting number(512vs351) and the incorrect date will be 350 points out of a total possible 4510.



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        • Richard S.
          Very Frequent User
          • November 1, 1994
          • 809

          #5
          Re: Judging points deduct.

          Thanks Chuck. What about the mileage driven question?

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          • Kenneth S.
            Expired
            • July 31, 1981
            • 302

            #6
            Re: Judging points deduct.

            Judging starts with 4510 points. Subtract the deduction, say 175 in this worst case. This leaves 4335. Divide this by 4510 and you get .96. This subtracted from 100 means the deductuction cost you 4 points. Driving points are whole points and not subject to the division by 4510. You will have to drive 400 miles to get your 4 points back. Hope this helps.

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            • Jack H.
              Extremely Frequent Poster
              • April 1, 1990
              • 9906

              #7
              Bravo!

              WELL EXPLAINED! Milage driven credit is general -- to car/owner and not specific to a given item. And, yes Virginia, there IS a Santa Claus because at NCRS we really mean it when we say we encourage owners to put their Corvettes on the road and drive 'em!

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              • Richard S.
                Very Frequent User
                • November 1, 1994
                • 809

                #8
                Re: Judging points deduct.

                Ken, thanks very much for the reply. I'm encourage by your math. Just one clarification, if I may, didn't chuck say a 350 deduct? Why did you say worst case 175? Thanks again. And Jack thank you as well for your encouragement, both now and the first time many months ago.

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                • John M.
                  Expired
                  • January 1, 1998
                  • 813

                  #9
                  Re: Judging points deduct.

                  Roy and all,


                  What if the block has correct casting no. and date , has been decked, but half the pad numbers are still readable. T0318LR if I remember right S/N unreadable. Sorry to drag this on but curiosity...

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                  • Roy S.
                    Past National Judging Chairman
                    • July 31, 1979
                    • 1025

                    #10
                    Re: Judging points deduct.

                    If the vin is all that is missing or if the vin is incorrect it is a 25 point deduct. If there are no broach marks it would be an additional 38 points.



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                    • Jack H.
                      Extremely Frequent Poster
                      • April 1, 1990
                      • 9906

                      #11
                      Give the guy a breather!

                      Hey! Roy joined in on this thread to be helpful. Why beat a dead horse? The NCRS Judging Reference Manual (score sheets too, when updated to match) are about as clear as you can get -- almost a perfect algorithm....


                      Essentially, the book says: (1) go in this order, (2) deduct this amount for what you see/don't see, (3) move to this step based on what you see/don't see. I personally don't understand the umpteen questions/iterations except in the context we have club members who haven't invested in club documentation for their libraries.....


                      My apologies to any non-NCRS members following this thread who may be probing the waters for the first time. But, Jez fellas, this is a volunteer organization and we oughta give our officers/directors a break from reading/quoting our published rules!

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