Alignment & NCRS Paint

**WayneC** · September 17, 2000, 04:57 PM

Re: Alignment &amp; NCRS Paint

To answer question #1: The car needs to be complete, unless it were to be done in a factory situation where they could preload the chassis somehow to simulate a complete car. The best alignment guys, aligning a complete car, will even add weight to the driver's seat to simulate the driver.

**Gene M.** · September 17, 2000, 04:57 PM

Re: Alignment &amp; NCRS Paint

Arne, The NCRS is very clear on clear coated paint. If you want some durability why not use a urethane since your car is a solid white? They still offer solid colors in a single stage solid. Once applied it will fly. Just keep the clear spray gun away from the car.

**Jack H.** · September 17, 2000, 04:58 PM

Re: Alignment &amp; NCRS Paint

The Judging Reference Manual answers your paint question. You must have at least 10% of the avaiable originality points on a given item to qualify for condition points (Section 3, Rule 8). If you make 'obvious' use of non-factory original clear coat process, you qualify for a full originality deduction and that affects the condition score of the item.

**Arne** · September 17, 2000, 04:58 PM

Re: Alignment &amp; NCRS Paint

Thanks Guys....I'll have the alignment done with Body On. I recalled reading about the Burrough's car being pre-loaded on the car hoist without the body, but I have no desire to play around with this. I'll wait until the Body is on. On the Paint thing. So, tell me why then if I go all the trouble to find the exact Lacquer Paint (I have) and a painter that will shoot it on the car (I have)..why then should I have to take the full deduction of 80pts. (I know its in the judging maunal), but for a moment, doesnt it stand to reason that if I have the correct Paint Type put on the car, why would I be given total penalty for just the Clear Coat. I'm not losing sleep over this (the cost of my Dewitt Rad causes me to lose sleep...), but it just seems odd to get hit as if I had not bothered to use Lacquer at all? I don't mind the deductions 10, 20 whatever, but not 80 when you've used the righ paint. Arne

**Dennis M.** · September 17, 2000, 04:58 PM

Re: Alignment &amp; NCRS Paint

Arne,

The Judging Reference Guide was provided to give the NCRS volunteering judging the direction to use in Judging your Corvette. It sounds like you want to be treated differently from the thousands of us which went befrore you. I would suggest that if you are looking for durability and to have your car judged, that you do the following: (1) paint the car in the correct paint and have it judged to whatever degree you wish to go to (Chapter, Regional, National, etc.). Then after all your judging days are over and you want to drive the car, then have it clear-coated if that is what you want.

**Arne** · September 17, 2000, 04:58 PM

Re: Alignment &amp; NCRS Paint

Mr. Moore. I do not wish to be treated different than the thousands of my fellow NCRS members. I only want to post the question, which many of us will continue to do, when questioning some of the rules we follow. ( in my personal case...with no "on-field" arguing) So, well I appreciate (sorta) your advise, my question still stands, if someone applies Lacquer to the body of their car, they should not receive a full deduction as if they had applied a modern day 2 part system. It is not to receive preferential treatment, it only points out a valid question. Which by the way, we should all do from time to time for obvious reasons. You also had a good idea about possibly clear coating afterward, I asked the same thing, but my painter would not go for this nor would he recomend doing so. A good member in standing and without special treatment!Arne

**Wally** · September 17, 2000, 04:59 PM

Re: Alignment &amp; NCRS Paint

Your painter is right, it must be done before the cars leaves the paint booth.

I agree with Arne, he has a valid point. What difference will it make? I can't imagine painting it the way he doing, he should be allowed to protect the paint.

I also can't see where there is an unfair advantage to be gained. If he tells the judges the car has correct "original" paint with clear, a small point deduction should be applied. To make him pay the price of total deduction is unfair.

I guess I would make a lousy judge.

**Bill Baird** · September 17, 2000, 04:59 PM

Re: Alignment &amp; NCRS Paint

Your question is a good question, but once the clear coat is sprayed on the car, how would the judge be able to determine the type of paint underneath the clear? Since the basis of the judging is on the appearance of originality, the clear coat will make the car appear unoriginal, even if the paint was the actual original paint. The judge will have very little choice but to deduct.

Bill Baird

**Arne** · September 17, 2000, 04:59 PM

Re: Alignment &amp; NCRS Paint

Ok, I think you bring up a another good point Bill. If we agree that there is "room" on this issue (which I know there is not), the onus, aka "burden of proof" would then rest with the owner. Without being unrealistic, I would be prepared to leave a body section minus the Clear, so the true lacquer could be scrutionized and or rag tested. And the actual paint can lid would most likely not hurt to "speed" up the process on the field.If you consider the 25 point deduction during a Operations Failure. The Clear add up to three items failing. That is enough to give anyone heartburn. Unfortunetly though Bill, I do agree with you. As a side note. I moved to a new town several months ago and I was introducted to a Corvette Nut. Knowing all to well that might mean everything under the sun I was curious as I was led to his garage to view his "ultra correct" 1957 Venetian Red Corvette. This fellow is not in any Club nor was he involved with NCRS. What I found out was, in the late 60's, he was stationed in Germany with the Army.During ths time he had 3 Corvettes delivered overseas, which were all delivered (57, 64 & 68BB). He did more things in Europe with Corvettes than you or I could even drean about. Later he left the service, sold 2, kept and restored the 57. He showed me his empty cans of Venetion Red Lacquer he used. He also Clear Coated over the Lacquer end of story. I asked him why the Lacquer as he did not have to go this route...his reply was "thats what they came with..." He would not understand our (NCRS) position on the Clear. Regards, AC

**Wayne W.** · September 17, 2000, 04:59 PM

Re: Alignment &amp; NCRS Paint

Why would any one want to put clear on white? Without it you can sand it buff it and rub it until your little heart is content and never worry about going through clear coat or worst yet having it peal off. If you need to spot paint it`s much easier. If you don`t want lacquer use eurothane and either leave it raw with the wet look shine or buff it to whatever surface condition wanted. I guarantee you can make it pass for lacquer if done right.

**Brandon K.** · September 17, 2000, 04:59 PM

NCRS Paint

So, what's the best way to make a single stage color look like lacquer in the door jambs and under the deck lid? Use a flattener? how much? Thanks, Brandon Korman.

**Chris** · September 17, 2000, 04:59 PM

Re: NCRS Paint

Brandon - Depending on what single stage sys you are using, but each system has some sort of flatener that can be used. The sys I use has diff mixture ratios for diff levels of gloss - you can make it totally flat if you want - and to repro the gloss and texture on door jambs and hoods - play with air pressure and gun closeness - it can roughen up the texture

**Jack H.** · September 17, 2000, 04:59 PM

Re: NCRS Paint

Use correct lacquer and do NOT wet sand or buff out (since this is NOT a formal cosmetic surface) just like the factory did in these areas (door jams, Etc.).

Alignment & NCRS Paint