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  • John M.
    Very Frequent User
    • April 30, 2004
    • 111

    1966 427/425 Engine Pad Broach Marks

    Can anyone tell me what to look for on a 1966 Big Block Pad to help determine if the engine stamp broach marks are original or a restamp!!
  • Chris H.
    Very Frequent User
    • April 1, 2000
    • 837

    #2
    Re: 1966 427/425 Engine Pad Broach Marks

    John, in this case a picture is worth a thousand words. If you can post a close up, hi resolution photo of the pad, we can give our opinion.

    We're basically looking for particular broach mark and font characteristics.

    Chris
    1969 Riverside Gold Coupe, L71, 14,000 miles. Top Flight, 2 Star Bowtie.

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    • Joel F.
      Expired
      • April 30, 2004
      • 659

      #3
      Re: 1966 427/425 Engine Pad Broach Marks

      John,

      I suggest you search for threads on this topic in the archive. Unfortunately, the topic is not so simple as to be definitively answered in a few paragraphs. You would want to study both known original broach marks as well as good and bad quality fake broach marks to get a good feel for the subtle differences between them. An archive search should yield many pictures that can help in this task.

      Alternately, if you have a good high res photo of the engine in question, posting it here will yield some highly qualified opinions on them.

      Joel.

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      • John M.
        Very Frequent User
        • April 30, 2004
        • 111

        #4
        Re: 1966 427/425 Engine Pad Broach Marks

        Thanks guys, I will do my best to get a good photo and post as soon as possible.

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        • Steven C.
          Very Frequent User
          • April 30, 2002
          • 199

          #5
          Re: 1966 427/425 Engine Pad Broach Marks

          Originally posted by John MacPherson (41914)
          Can anyone tell me what to look for on a 1966 Big Block Pad to help determine if the engine stamp broach marks are original or a restamp!!

          John, is your inquiry regarding the surface of the pad, the characters on the pad or both?

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          • Tim S.
            Very Frequent User
            • May 31, 1990
            • 704

            #6
            Re: 1966 427/425 Engine Pad Broach Marks

            This is a restamp


            this is an original


            note the crispness of the restamp on both the broach marks and the characters. That is what many are looking for.

            Tim

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            • Ronald L.
              Extremely Frequent Poster
              • October 18, 2009
              • 3248

              #7
              Re: 1966 427/425 Engine Pad Broach Marks

              That and the numbers are crooked.

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              • Joel F.
                Expired
                • April 30, 2004
                • 659

                #8
                Re: 1966 427/425 Engine Pad Broach Marks

                Originally posted by Ronald Lovelace (50931)
                That and the numbers are crooked.
                Just be careful, crooked numbers are not always the tell tale sign you might think!

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                • Kenneth B.
                  Extremely Frequent Poster
                  • August 31, 1984
                  • 2089

                  #9
                  Re: 1966 427/425 Engine Pad Broach Marks

                  Originally posted by Ronald Lovelace (50931)
                  That and the numbers are crooked.
                  I believe that most if not all IP blocks the P is tilted to the right.
                  KEN
                  65 350 TI CONV 67 J56 435 CONV,67,390/AIR CONV,70 454/air CONV,
                  What A MAN WON'T SPEND TO GIVE HIS ASS A RIDE

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                  • William P.
                    Expired
                    • August 31, 2003
                    • 135

                    #10
                    Re: 1966 427/425 Engine Pad Broach Marks

                    Hi John, If the stamp pad you are looking at is a car you are concidering to buy I would advise that you make the deal conditonal on having Al Grenning certify it as origonal to the car. He will only do it for the currant owner . If the car is the real deal it won't be cheap and the money you or the seller pays Al will be peace of mind for you.
                    If you post pictures on this or any other Corvette site of the pad you will get a lot of opinions for free and that is what they are worth . $ 00.00

                    Regards Bill Purdy

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                    • Dick W.
                      Former NCRS Director Region IV
                      • June 30, 1985
                      • 10483

                      #11
                      Re: 1966 427/425 Engine Pad Broach Marks

                      Here is another
                      Attached Files
                      Dick Whittington

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                      • Kenneth B.
                        Extremely Frequent Poster
                        • August 31, 1984
                        • 2089

                        #12
                        Re: 1966 427/425 Engine Pad Broach Marks

                        Originally posted by William Purdy (40614)
                        Hi John, If the stamp pad you are looking at is a car you are concidering to buy I would advise that you make the deal conditonal on having Al Grenning certify it as origonal to the car. He will only do it for the currant owner . If the car is the real deal it won't be cheap and the money you or the seller pays Al will be peace of mind for you.
                        If you post pictures on this or any other Corvette site of the pad you will get a lot of opinions for free and that is what they are worth . $ 00.00

                        Regards Bill Purdy
                        I beg to differ. I think Al will only say that it is factory correct. NO ONE can certify that it is a factory stamped pad. The good restampers are so good that no one can tell. Trust me some have almost as many pictures of pads as he dose. If it passes NCRS & BG what is the big deal. If you are not the original owner you have no clue if it is the original block & 75% of the HP motors 25 years ago were not. Why are there a lot of 396,425. & 435 cars certified NCRS& BG today. Al will tell you all sorts of things happened when blocks were stamped. Don't drink the coolaid. I think good paperwork is your best bet if you want to know what engine was original to the Corvette. Al can tell any repo POP or tank sticker. I have sent him alot & others have over the years including Terry @ Proteam. He has GM paperwork that only he has on ELC #'S KEN
                        65 350 TI CONV 67 J56 435 CONV,67,390/AIR CONV,70 454/air CONV,
                        What A MAN WON'T SPEND TO GIVE HIS ASS A RIDE

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                        • David D.
                          Very Frequent User
                          • April 1, 1990
                          • 330

                          #13
                          Re: 1966 427/425 Engine Pad Broach Marks

                          Originally posted by Dick Whittington (8804)
                          Here is another
                          Another what? Original or restamp? I am not an expert on engine pads. Dave

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                          • Ronald L.
                            Extremely Frequent Poster
                            • October 18, 2009
                            • 3248

                            #14
                            Re: 1966 427/425 Engine Pad Broach Marks

                            Since we are talking 66 427 stamp pads, has anyone seen the "1" in the date stamped as a "I"?

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                            • John M.
                              Very Frequent User
                              • April 30, 2004
                              • 111

                              #15
                              Re: 1966 427/425 Engine Pad Broach Marks

                              Hi Ronald,

                              My stamping also has an "I" for a "1".

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