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  • Ridge K.
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    • May 31, 2006
    • 1018

    Original 1967 M21 Muncie restoration

    I.m offering these photos for information purposes. I would love hearing any commentary for judges, or those experienced with Muncie four speeds. All observations and thoughts appreciated.

    I just got my M21 Muncie rebuilt from my 45,000 mile 1967 L68 400hp 427 barn-find. Fellow NCRS member and occasional visitor to this site Scott Pfuehler restored/rebuilt this Muncie for me.
    Scott has been rebuilding these for longer than he can probably remember, so I take his internal evaluations and conclusions as textbook. In Scott's opinion, even though my Corvette is about 98% original, my Muncie had been apart before at least once. It is definitely the original M21 four speed that came in my car (factory VIN stamped), but there is always the possibility that some bolts, etc. ....had been changed out at it's last servicing.
    I am the fifth owner of this Corvette, but owner number four bought it somewhere around December 1973, or early 1974. He put in on blocks in his barn around 1977 or 1978. It sat in the barn until I purchased it in 2006.
    I have tracked down owners number 3 and 2, but not the first owner. I do know that the first owner used the Corvette strictly for drag racing for an unknown period of time (my guess, two to five years, based on the low mileage on the car). When found, the Corvette was wearing vintage aluminum wheels, headers, the TI replaced with a dual point dist., and had been running seven inch slicks. The car was factory built with soft-top only, but an auxiliary hardtop was installed with the soft top frame removed. (For anyone who has never gone thru the traps at 120mph, a convertible top fluttering int he wind is a little un-nerving.) The car was ordered with a 4:11 positraction. It had a Hurst shifter installed.

    The rebuild found that the internal parts were in overall excellent and unworn condition, except for synchronizers and 3rd and 4th gears showing chips on teeth (my guess, high RPM shifts halfway down the drag strip). My VIN: 140XX (assembled around March 18th,, 1967).
    Main case casting number: 3885010 One ring in the input shaft (M21). The transmission still had the broadcast code tag attached to a side cover bolt. The casting number side of the main case has to cast in codes (molds perhaps) R-1, and 7-1. The Muncie assembly code is P7C07, with an additional partial "7" after the last seven (bounce perhaps). The VIN stamping is correct, and begins with "7S".
    The tail housing is casting number 3857584, with the characteristic double circles with a line thru them. One circle has a "C M" in the upper part, and a "2 2" in the lower. The second circle (status?) has two dots in the top, and a "2" below. The top three tail hosuing bolts are marked "S B C". and then two lower with "G", and one with the three outward lines (grade three).
    The side cover is casting 3884685, and has seven bolts marked "S B C". The side cover has the same two characteristic circles with a line thru them. One has a "C M" on the top, and a "4-1" below. The second has two dots on the top, and a "1 1" below.
    The drain plug has either a "M", or a "W" with a line below.

    The restored appearance of the aluminum castings is due to my having them re-skinned (yes, I know this term isn';t correct, but the use of the term helps in understanding the issue, in my opinion).
    The aluminum castings were in superb condition (no real denting, or scratches as you can see), but heavy staining from grease leakage sitting on them for 43 years or so.
    All bolts were natural. They were wire brushed and lightly coated with oil. All threads were fortunately, in perfect condition.
    Once again, comments including critical commentary is welcome and appreciated. Sorry if too long winded in my description. Ridge.




    Good carburetion is fuelish hot air . . .
  • Ridge K.
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    • May 31, 2006
    • 1018

    #2
    Re: Original 1967 M21 Muncie restoration



    Other side:

    Good carburetion is fuelish hot air . . .

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    • Ridge K.
      Extremely Frequent Poster
      • May 31, 2006
      • 1018

      #3
      Re: Original 1967 M21 Muncie restoration

      Good carburetion is fuelish hot air . . .

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      • Patrick N.
        Very Frequent User
        • March 10, 2008
        • 951

        #4
        Re: Original 1967 M21 Muncie restoration

        Wow, looks good!
        What was to process when you say "re-skinned"?

        Pat
        68 427 / 400
        88

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        • Ridge K.
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          • May 31, 2006
          • 1018

          #5
          Re: Original 1967 M21 Muncie restoration

          Thanks, Pat.

          Here's my crude description of "re-skinning" in layman's terms.
          The aluminum castings are "tumbled" in a media of often "rounded pieces of metal, in a liquid or chemical bath"
          Perhaps you heard of pretty colored, collectible rocks polished by the use of a rock tumbler. The type of rocks sold in rock shops, or highway giftshops located near stores, etc.

          A very well known commercial restorer of vintage aluminum castings (four speed cases, intake manifolds, etc. is well known first generation Camaro expert - Jerry MacNeish.
          This mention of Jerry Macneish is not an endorsement. There are one or two NCRS members who also advertise their aluminum casting restorative services in The Driveline. I have used MacNeish in the past of intake manifold repairs and restoration, and the work was second to none. Jerry is, very expensive however.

          In my opinion, sand or bead blasting an aluminum four speed case casting does not restore it's look to "typical factory production". Now "re-skinning" may not be perfect either, but is closer to an "as cast" appearnce, ....once again in my opinion.
          Good carburetion is fuelish hot air . . .

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          • Wayne M.
            Expired
            • February 29, 1980
            • 6414

            #6
            Re: Original 1967 M21 Muncie restoration

            Ridge -- beautiful, but too nice for my cars . My thoughts on what you've speculated as a "bounce" in the assembly date code. I've seen this before, 3 variations so far, all in the '66-7 "010" case era. Thumbnail pic below is another mark, and I've seen a 3-sided square (half height) that leads some eBay sellers to interpret as a "C" and claim M22 . IMO, it's an identifier, either for the shift or the assembler himself. This one's on a 1966 tranny.
            Attached Files
            Last edited by Wayne M.; January 20, 2011, 04:58 PM.

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            • Ridge K.
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              • May 31, 2006
              • 1018

              #7
              Re: Original 1967 M21 Muncie restoration

              Originally posted by Wayne Midkiff (3437)
              Ridge -- beautiful, but too nice for my cars . My thoughts on what you've speculated as a "bounce" in the assembly date code. I've seen this before, 3 variations so far, all in the '66-7 "010" case era. Thumbnail pic below is another mark, and I've seen a 3-sided square (half height) that leads some eBay sellers to interpret as a "C" and claim M22 . IMO, it's an identifier, either for the shift or the assembler himself. This one's on a 1966 tranny.
              First, thank you Wayne.
              As I've mentioned before, I have a very bad case of NCRS, as well as NOS disease.
              I got a good price break from a fellow collector who had a tumbler for his own restorations. The current average commercial price for re-skinning a four speed case (main case, tailousing, side cover and midplate) is about $250, plus shipping both ways if needed. Not to mention the parts and labor to rebuild.

              Very interesting information about the 1967 "5010" cases and their assembly date code stamping. Now that you mention that, I think I had read that before. Perhaps from you.
              Thanks much for the photo.

              I remember another member saying once "it's amazing how much a person will spend to give their hindquarters a ride in a vintage Corvette" (cleaned up a little bit for the moderators!). I am pretty proud of how she turned out...
              Ridge
              Good carburetion is fuelish hot air . . .

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              • Tim S.
                Very Frequent User
                • May 31, 1990
                • 697

                #8
                Re: Original 1967 M21 Muncie restoration

                The trans turned out so nice, it would be a sin to bury it in the car! Great work

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                • Patrick N.
                  Very Frequent User
                  • March 10, 2008
                  • 951

                  #9
                  Re: Original 1967 M21 Muncie restoration

                  Originally posted by Ridge Kayser (45955)
                  Thanks, Pat.

                  Here's my crude description of "re-skinning" in layman's terms.
                  The aluminum castings are "tumbled" in a media of often "rounded pieces of metal, in a liquid or chemical bath"
                  Perhaps you heard of pretty colored, collectible rocks polished by the use of a rock tumbler. The type of rocks sold in rock shops, or highway giftshops located near stores, etc.

                  A very well known commercial restorer of vintage aluminum castings (four speed cases, intake manifolds, etc. is well known first generation Camaro expert - Jerry MacNeish.
                  This mention of Jerry Macneish is not an endorsement. There are one or two NCRS members who also advertise their aluminum casting restorative services in The Driveline. I have used MacNeish in the past of intake manifold repairs and restoration, and the work was second to none. Jerry is, very expensive however.

                  In my opinion, sand or bead blasting an aluminum four speed case casting does not restore it's look to "typical factory production". Now "re-skinning" may not be perfect either, but is closer to an "as cast" appearnce, ....once again in my opinion.
                  Ridge,
                  Thanks for info, the results speak for themselves. I will have to add these images to my reference library. Can't wait to see the rest of the car!

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                  • Ridge K.
                    Extremely Frequent Poster
                    • May 31, 2006
                    • 1018

                    #10
                    Re: Original 1967 M21 Muncie restoration

                    Thanks, Tim.

                    And Pat, likewise I am really getting very anxious to get my Corvette completed. I'm very pleased with how components are turning out.
                    My "goal" timeframe has now seen three years pass by. Hopefully, I can complete it this year. I just can't wait!

                    Ridge
                    Good carburetion is fuelish hot air . . .

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                    • Ronald L.
                      Extremely Frequent Poster
                      • October 18, 2009
                      • 3248

                      #11
                      Re: Original 1967 M21 Muncie restoration

                      Ridge,

                      Thanks for sharing. This bounce as you mentioned that Wayne picked up on seems to be the inspector - date stamper's personal identifier. Wayne showed the 2 divot identifier from 1966 and yours of the 67.

                      Now I have been studying these for a while and here is the top level.

                      For the 1325's that preceded the 5010's I have seen squares, hearts, diamonds, etc. ...were the inspectors playing cards


                      Neither mark shown above I have seen on a Muncie prior to January 1966. I have a Jan 06 without it, but I have not convinced myself that it is an original stamp.

                      What I can say is that the punch holder sure changed from Dec 65 to Jan 66 and along with that we start to see these new characters.

                      I do not believe in my archive I have seen the 'carrot' on a 66 but sure do have examples from 1967. Not all 66 5010's I have were stamped this way, and with enough data one can start to conclude it appears day specific.

                      With more time passing (more data collection) I was planning to map this out into a story of sorts.


                      One of the issues here is that this far down the road we start to see the resale of Faked out Muncies, fast Willie on the Jersey shore, and slick Sam in the Rockies will stamp these so fast you won't even feel the pain, but worst of all there are some that mix up the 0's for O's and worse. One of the reasons I don't say to much becasue they'll start stamping these special characters now too

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                      • Ronald L.
                        Extremely Frequent Poster
                        • October 18, 2009
                        • 3248

                        #12
                        Re: Original 1967 M21 Muncie restoration

                        On the topic of tumbling, beautiful finish, but IMHO this wipes out the sand cast pore detail seen on the original cases.

                        30 years ago on my first 66 BB Muncie, I bead blasted the case, and inadvertently wiped out part of the VIN, no excuse on the home made blast chamber or the operator, we did not even know back then the VIN was stamped on the case!

                        So, if the original texture of sand cast is desired, wash it and perhaps there is an oxidation remover or liquid that makes aluminium shine like new (another way of saying that anything you do will wipe off the sand cast detail).

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                        • Chris E.
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                          • November 2, 2006
                          • 1322

                          #13
                          Re: Original 1967 M21 Muncie restoration

                          So, when you show the car, are you going to flip it over so people can see that gorgeous thing???? DANG!!!! Nice job. I'd say you're done, and move on to the next piece in the restoration.

                          Chris Enstrom
                          North Central Chapter Judging Chairman
                          1967 Rally Red convertible, 327/350, 4 speed, Duntov @ Hampton in 2013, Founders @ KC in 2014, family owned since 1973
                          2011 Z06, red/red

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                          • Ridge K.
                            Extremely Frequent Poster
                            • May 31, 2006
                            • 1018

                            #14
                            Re: Original 1967 M21 Muncie restoration

                            Originally posted by Chris Enstrom (46481)
                            So, when you show the car, are you going to flip it over so people can see that gorgeous thing???? DANG!!!! Nice job. I'd say you're done, and move on to the next piece in the restoration.

                            Thanks Chris!
                            I did mention to my wife that "it is so clean, I could store it in our dining room's china hutch", ......... but I just got a cold look.

                            I'll always have fond memories of knowing that I restored it as close to "as original" as humanly possible. May be a little extreme when one thinks about the fact that I will be driving this Corvette.
                            God, ...it's pretty though!

                            Ridge
                            Good carburetion is fuelish hot air . . .

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