1967 ECL "BP" and C60 Air Conditioning

[King M.]

Re: 1967 ECL "BP" and C60 Air Conditioning

67 L79 c60 had HT code no pw or pb. Might want to check POA valve for mfg date, if original it will have a date preceding the car build date. Also mine had a second set of blower motor wires (I believe that's right. Purple in color) that are hanging beside the outer edge of blower motor. Didn't notice them until I pulled engine and looked up under the fender.

[Richard M.]

Re: 1967 ECL "BP" and C60 Air Conditioning

Is it in the standard non AC location or to the right?

Hi Brian, maybe you missed my indirectmulti-answer message in Post #11. It' is on the left, not the right as it was intended to be with C60. But I have heard that it's not always a definite, and clusters can be changed, etc, etc. Kinda' like the horn relays on FI C1's....some on the shelf, some on the side.(As I have seen both ways on know original cars). Point is, The AIM was not always followed.

But note it appears the screw holes are shiny on the right so it's possible a PO moved it to the left and IIRC there were screw marks in those holes. Mystery. Also note the housing is mounted wrong, and a red screw on the right. I don't think St Louis did that piece.
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[Harry S.]

Re: 1967 ECL "BP" and C60 Air Conditioning

Rich, that is not where I would expect to find the headlight bucket switch. I would look for it more to the right. Also the ears on the switch are mounted below the cluster on cars with C60. Else you can't mount it unless you remove the duct work.

[Richard M.]

Re: 1967 ECL "BP" and C60 Air Conditioning

Rich, that is not where I would expect to find the headlight bucket switch. I would look for it more to the right. Also the ears on the switch are mounted below the cluster on cars with C60. Else you can't mount it unless you remove the duct work.

I agree, but a bit confused now. The '67 JG does not differentiate. It explicitly says the tabs are above the cluster flange, C60 or not.

So another oddity....
I saw these holes in the firewall Sunday and again in the photos, but you know how you always see something in pictures later and it flags your brain. I wonder why those 3 holes are showing. That is the location for the stud plate for a stock heater. They must be punched in the firewalls originally but I'd imagine they should be blobbed over before C60 installation.
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UPC Bolt Weld A10.....Item 6
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But C60 D2 shows a unique bracket at that location. Hmmm, could this be a smokin' gun? Is the 3823245 bracket missing? I see the stud in the lower right though. I'm confused.
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[Leif A.]

Re: 1967 ECL "BP" and C60 Air Conditioning

Rich,
A couple of pics for you. One of headlamp switch mounted to the right side location with the "ears" behind the dash cluster as per the AIM. The other picture of the same general area under the hood showing the same three holes your reference in your picture. This is a known factory A/C car. (Still can't figure out why the pictures rotate to a different angle then how they are in my file).

P.S. Can you tell me where the other end of the red wire (fuse holder) might possibly be?? Just now noticed it in the picture and can't seem to locate the other end. thanx.

[Keith B.]

Re: 1967 ECL "BP" and C60 Air Conditioning

What does the wiring for the extra lights for the AC knobs look like? See if you can get a side picture of the clock bracket?

[Harry S.]

Re: 1967 ECL "BP" and C60 Air Conditioning

I agree, but a bit confused now. The '67 JG does not differentiate. It explicitly says the tabs are above the cluster flange, C60 or not.

So another oddity....
I saw these holes in the firewall Sunday and again in the photos, but you know how you always see something in pictures later and it flags your brain. I wonder why those 3 holes are showing. That is the location for the stud plate for a stock heater. They must be punched in the firewalls originally but I'd imagine they should be blobbed over before C60 installation.
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UPC Bolt Weld A10.....Item 6
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But C60 D2 shows a unique bracket at that location. Hmmm, could this be a smokin' gun? Is the 3823245 bracket missing? I see the stud in the lower right though. I'm confused.
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Rich, on the firewall holes............

All C2 cowls/firewalls were formed for Non-A/C cars. Meaning they were produced with the holes for a non-A/C heater box. When the body shop got the build sheet for an A/C car (C60), they would cut a larger opening for airflow and install a different bracket for the engine side heater box/evaporator box.

That is why the AIM shows those pages. An easy way to tell if a car was born with A/C is to look at where the Non-A/C engine side heater box is and look to see if you see studs or cut off studs. If you do the car was not born with A/C. The holes should be filled with body putty because they were not used. Two of the holes were for rivets and one was for the stud.

[Wayne M.]

Re: 1967 ECL "BP" and C60 Air Conditioning

What does the wiring for the extra lights for the AC knobs look like? See if you can get a side picture of the clock bracket?

Here's the A/C clock bracket on my early '65. The A/C knobs illlumination is on the clips visible (as installed) on the upper edges, left and right, of the bracket. The 2 bulbs in the middle are for clock illuminaton.



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[Richard M.]

Re: 1967 ECL "BP" and C60 Air Conditioning

Rich,
A couple of pics for you. One of headlamp switch mounted to the right side location with the "ears" behind the dash cluster as per the AIM. The other picture of the same general area under the hood showing the same three holes your reference in your picture. This is a known factory A/C car. (Still can't figure out why the pictures rotate to a different angle then how they are in my file).

P.S. Can you tell me where the other end of the red wire (fuse holder) might possibly be?? Just now noticed it in the picture and can't seem to locate the other end. thanx.

Leif, Thanks for the pics, that one with the 3 holes is exactly like this '67. The stud/rivets holes are not filled it.
I fixed your pics, and no idea why yours comes out disorientated.

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I'll look through the photos again and see if I can find the fuse end.

BTW, UPC C60 E7 has a big CANCELLED on the page. It shows the motor HL motor switch on the right. Date of cancellation 8/22/66.


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Rich

[Leif A.]

Re: 1967 ECL "BP" and C60 Air Conditioning

Leif, Thanks for the pics, that one with the 3 holes is exactly like this '67. The stud/rivets holes are not filled it.
I fixed your pics, and no idea why yours comes out disorientated.

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I'll look through the photos again and see if I can find the fuse end.

BTW, UPC C60 E7 has a big CANCELLED on the page. It shows the motor HL motor switch on the right. Date of cancellation 8/22/66.


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Rich

Rich,
I've noticed that page before. But, if you look at the lower left corner of the page this cancellation is regarding the air vent control cable as the '67 did not have an air vent control on the left side. Don't think it has anything to do with the switch position being moved to the right slot for A/C cars.

[Wayne W.]

Re: 1967 ECL "BP" and C60 Air Conditioning

Rich, on the firewall holes............

All C2 cowls/firewalls were formed for Non-A/C cars. Meaning they were produced with the holes for a non-A/C heater box. When the body shop got the build sheet for an A/C car (C60), they would cut a larger opening for airflow and install a different bracket for the engine side heater box/evaporator box.

That is why the AIM shows those pages. An easy way to tell if a car was born with A/C is to look at where the Non-A/C engine side heater box is and look to see if you see studs or cut off studs. If you do the car was not born with A/C. The holes should be filled with body putty because they were not used. Two of the holes were for rivets and one was for the stud.

This is exactly what I wanted to see. Most conversions still have the stud or a cut off stud. Seldom are they taken
out completely. Since it is , close inspection of the holes is needed to determine it any were ever installed. Looks to be a little body color on the edges, with is a good sign. Look for any other clues. Most of the holes were filled with body putty, but many were not. They got lazy on the line.
What I see looks good.

[Richard M.]

Re: 1967 ECL "BP" and C60 Air Conditioning

67 L79 c60 had HT code no pw or pb. Might want to check POA valve for mfg date, if original it will have a date preceding the car build date. Also mine had a second set of blower motor wires (I believe that's right. Purple in color) that are hanging beside the outer edge of blower motor. Didn't notice them until I pulled engine and looked up under the fender.

King, The POA was changed within the last year according to the owner, so although that's a good idea, didn't apply for me in this case.

Yes those extra wires are for the stock heater that according to the aim get taped up and tucked under the fender.

What does the wiring for the extra lights for the AC knobs look like? See if you can get a side picture of the clock bracket?

Keith, I couldn't see up in there and couldn't take the car apart. This is the difficulty when inspecting a car. You want to take things apart to help prove authenticity, but the owners often frown on those requests. I can't imagine why.

Rich,
I've noticed that page before. But, if you look at the lower left corner of the page this cancellation is regarding the air vent control cable as the '67 did not have an air vent control on the left side. Don't think it has anything to do with the switch position being moved to the right slot for A/C cars.

Yup, you're right. I completely missed the Title. I could not find the page where it shows the HL switch and found that page thinking it was cancelled. Is there a replacement page showing the switch relocation without the vent cable(from prior years)?

This is exactly what I wanted to see. Most conversions still have the stud or a cut off stud. Seldom are they taken
out completely. Since it is , close inspection of the holes is needed to determine it any were ever installed. Looks to be a little body color on the edges, with is a good sign. Look for any other clues. Most of the holes were filled with body putty, but many were not. They got lazy on the line.
What I see looks good.

Ahhh, so my hunch was right in post 19. You and Harry pointed out the 'smokin gun'. Thanks Guys. Seems unusual that they'd leave the holes open as they infiltrate the inner air chamber. Some engine bay air can get in there, and maybe even small mice.

And BTW, another clue pointed out by a friend is my photo of the Passenger side horn. It has it's correct lower nut plate rivet visible for mounting to the forward inner skirt. We figured if it was a added C60 system, the likelihood of the installer using the original soft aluminum rivets would not be common.
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I think this is the backside showing the plate with it's original undercoating patina.
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I guess this little exercise panned out for this car......I now have better confidence it is a original C60 example.

Thanks to everyone.

Rich

[John H.]

Re: 1967 ECL "BP" and C60 Air Conditioning

P.S. Can you tell me where the other end of the red wire (fuse holder) might possibly be?? Just now noticed it in the picture and can't seem to locate the other end. thanx.

Leif -

One end of that red wire connects to a screw terminal on the horn relay, and the other end connects to the high blower relay on the top front of the evaporator case.


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[Richard M.]

Re: 1967 ECL "BP" and C60 Air Conditioning

Here's the pictures I forgot to look up. Red wire and the end of the fuse holder in each view, heading to the relay buss bar.

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