Award Confirmation Service

[Michael W.]

If an owner wants to take advantage of this service, but the car has never been judged by NCRS, does the inquirer still need to pay the $300. fee?

[Rick A.]

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there wouldn't be anything to enquire about if the car has never been judged by NCRS - that is the entire purpose of the ACS

[Tracy C.]

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But.... If someone were to snag a Top Flight ribbon off eBay and have a "spare" set of judging sheets on hand to fill out, they could falsely represent a car they had for sale.

I think Mike's question is geared towards a potential buyer who wants to validate what a seller says to be true. If the NCRS has no record of judging the car in question, is the $300 fee still applicable?

My guess is probably so as the administrative process to determine the answer is the same regardless of the outcome.

tc

[Rick A.]

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TC - agree - $300.00 would still need to be paid to find out car was NOT judged

[Michael W.]

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I think Mike's question is geared towards a potential buyer who wants to validate what a seller says to be true. If the NCRS has no record of judging the car in question, is the $300 fee still applicable?

Correct. Are you guys guessing- or do you actually know the answer?

[Chuck S.]

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Correct. Are you guys guessing- or do you actually know the answer?

Well, this is just a guess, but...

Whatsamattayou, Mikey?!...Of course, you would pay the $300. Collecting the fee is whole idea of the service. Otherwise, it would be free.

[Michael W.]

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Checking a database to see if the VIN is a hit (ctrl+F) takes ummmm, 30 seconds?

[Gary C.]

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Michael, please keep in mind the time and effort it took to build and maintain the database over the years, which has required alot of work and effort. Best, Gary....

[Michael F.]

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waste money in my opinion, do your own homework and say the cash for the car.

[Michael W.]

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Michael, please keep in mind the time and effort it took to build and maintain the database over the years, which has required alot of work and effort. Best, Gary....

Gary I assume you are answering on behalf of NCRS in an official capacity.

The question has come up on another Corvette related internet site and I'm sure will come up again. Some members may be asked in person to explain or defend the policy. I have no quarrel with the cost of extracting and collating multiple records that may go back many years, but to ask someone to pay $300 up front only to be told 'nope sorry never heard of your car' is rather hard to justify.

I'm sure you can see that side of the coin too.

Mike

[Chris W.]

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Michael, please keep in mind the time and effort it took to build and maintain the database over the years, which has required alot of work and effort. Best, Gary....

Gary,

I had been involved in a lot of with NCRS for many years and did a lot of judging in the old days and also helped with some of the first Manuals. Often times I was a judge even though I did not have a car being judged. I always paid my way and served as a Chapter Officer. Most of the Data Base was generated by the efforts of people like me.

Now, I have a problem. I recently bought a '65 thru a dealer who did not have any of the background on the car. It was on consignment and the seller did not have any history nor did he care. He said he bought the car because he liked it and did not care about all that originality and show stuff. He changed a few things when he got the car to make it more to his liking, mainly, the seats. He said it had very nice original looking seat covers but he did not like so he had them changed to Velour, which is terable. It appears to me that the car could have been previously owned by a NCRS Member and was judged as it had been "simi restored" at one time with good attention to detail such as inspection markes etc.

I would like to know more of the history of this car as well as possible names of previous owners. I am very willing to pay the $300.00 for any information NCRS may have in their Data Base but I am reluctant to Pay $300.00 and then be told there is nothing there. I think there should be a way to handle a situation like this such as a basic "Search Fee" for members and then an additional fee for any information found. Or, how about in a case like this, a Member can order a search and pay the full $300.00 fee and if nothing comes back, he gets a partical refund? I feel NCRS is making money partly from the volunteer work I, and others like me, did and all I am asking for is a little consideration in return.

Your thoughts please.

Thanks, Chris

[Gary C.]

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Chris, you can e-mail or call the National Judging Chairman with your question. As you can see I've been a Member for a while and also have contributed countless non-paid hours to NCRS as have many other Members. Good luck with your pursuit of the '65. Best, Gary....

[Dave S.]

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Gary,

I had been involved in a lot of with NCRS for many years and did a lot of judging in the old days and also helped with some of the first Manuals. Often times I was a judge even though I did not have a car being judged. I always paid my way and served as a Chapter Officer. Most of the Data Base was generated by the efforts of people like me.

Now, I have a problem. I recently bought a '65 thru a dealer who did not have any of the background on the car. It was on consignment and the seller did not have any history nor did he care. He said he bought the car because he liked it and did not care about all that originality and show stuff. He changed a few things when he got the car to make it more to his liking, mainly, the seats. He said it had very nice original looking seat covers but he did not like so he had them changed to Velour, which is terable. It appears to me that the car could have been previously owned by a NCRS Member and was judged as it had been "simi restored" at one time with good attention to detail such as inspection markes etc.

I would like to know more of the history of this car as well as possible names of previous owners. I am very willing to pay the $300.00 for any information NCRS may have in their Data Base but I am reluctant to Pay $300.00 and then be told there is nothing there. I think there should be a way to handle a situation like this such as a basic "Search Fee" for members and then an additional fee for any information found. Or, how about in a case like this, a Member can order a search and pay the full $300.00 fee and if nothing comes back, he gets a partical refund? I feel NCRS is making money partly from the volunteer work I, and others like me, did and all I am asking for is a little consideration in return.

Your thoughts please.

Thanks, Chris

Chris,
I concur 100% with your thoughts and I would like to take them one step further. Many of us have vintage dealer and factory paperwork from Corvettes of the past and have no way to re-unite these with the cars. Things like Owner's Kits, Protecto-plates, window stickers, original dealer invoices, tank sheets etc. are out there. I felt this NCRS service would be a great way to allow this to happen. However, who is going to pay $300 to initiate the process to do this. If the NCRS would address this it may be possible to use this data base in a positive way and make many members happy when they find that elusive piece of paper.

[Harmon C.]

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A member should get a discount and not pay the same as a nonmember like we get on most items in the store. This could help increase membership. I think a good in person look at the car as it sits today is the only way to buy old Corvettes.Old judging scores don't mean much and I doubt we are passing out owner/judge names because of legal problems.

[Chuck S.]

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...The question has come up on another Corvette related internet site and I'm sure will come up again. Some members may be asked in person to explain or defend the policy...

I was poking you before, Mikey...time to get serious:

The need to justify NCRS policy to non-members seems like a non-issue to me...I certainly don't feel responsible for justifying every administrative decision made by headquarters.

Further, I'm sure not all NCRS members agree with this policy, but then most of us wouldn't use the service for the reasons Lyle mentions, and are unaffected by it's existence. Flight judging scores are perishable, and with the passage of time, they lose significance for assessing the value of any car. Members that judge and restore generally know that to be the case.

I do believe that in those cases where members would find a judging pedigree to be valuable, NCRS members should get a break on the cost of the service as Lyle suggests. If non-members don't like the policy, they don't need to request the service. A schedule of fees, however, would seem more appropriate: Perhaps $25 for a yes/no answer to past judging history, then $300 more to non-members for the actual judging result. For NCRS members, maybe $100 for the judging result. I'm not sure non-members will be any happier with this proposal...it's paying the $300 that they object to, not the policy.