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  • Gerard F.
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    • June 30, 2004
    • 3805

    Holley Carb Restoration-Part 8- Fuel Bowl Coloring

    Well, I worked on the potmetal parts today experimenting with the fuel bowl coloring. Here's my set of potmetal parts for this 67 3810:



    I'm trying to replicate a gold iridescent finish on these parts. On original carbs, there is probably a great variance in finish on all of the potmetal parts, it is very understandable as all the different parts were finished and colored in different baths, in different locations and by different vendors. There has to be a variance in the finish on the potmetal parts.

    In this post, I'm going to concentrate on the fuel bowl finish, the results of a lot of trial and error to get that gold irridescent finish, somewhat greenish, as some remember. Here is how I found, it is done. This post may take a few posts because of the number of pictures.

    Here is what I started with:



    This is a bowl from a replacement 3810 which I think I recolored some years before, but it always seemed to come out too dark. As you will note in the picture, in disassembling I always use a little plastic compartment box so that I don't get confused when I reassemble. I also take photos of every part prior to disassembly, so I have a reference to where the parts go and their orientation when I reassemble. I think this is a good practice for amateurs like me.

    First step is to strip the existing dichromate finish. I just dip it in a solution of muriatic acid (pool acid) cut 3 to 1 with distilled water:



    You have to be careful with muriatic acid as it will eat zinc, potmetal (which is mainly zinc), cadmium as well as chrome. The dip here is no more than 30 seconds and just enough to take the dichromate finish off the fuel bowl:



    This is just coming out of the acid dip. Then you would immediately neutralize in hot SP degreaser and or a baking soda solution. I use both to be sure the acid is neutralized on the zinc and in the little crannys.

    Since I ran out of picture allowance for one post, I'll continue in the next.
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    Jerry Fuccillo
    1967 327/300 Convertible since 1968
  • Gerard F.
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    • June 30, 2004
    • 3805

    #2
    Re: Holley Carb Restoration-Part 8- Fuel Bowl Coloring

    (continuing on from the last post)

    Once you get the fuel bowl thoroughly neutralized from the acid dip, and dried off, next step is to get all the remnant crude off by wheel brushing it with a nylon or wire wheel to get the rough stuff off and then beadblasting it. Once beadblasted to a somewhat clean sort of bright finish, I then use a clean nylon wheel (on a drill in a vise, see the former part of this story) to lightly touch up the part to a brighter finish. Here's the preped part:



    This is the type of finish you would expect to color.

    Next step is to soak the part in hot SP degreaser, for about 30 seconds to get all the oil and fingerprints off the part. Then it is the dip in the dichromate tank set to 80d F. I count to 20 and swirl the part in the tank. (For an Italian, this is difficult as I have to count with both hands and feet. By the time I count all ten fingers and ten toes, it is usually 20 seconds or thereabouts. Capice)

    The book says 30 seconds, but I'm sure I'm closer to 20, lighter is better than darker. Here's how it looks coming out of the dichromate tank:



    You will be amazed at how light it looks when first coming out of the tank. But immediately flush it off with distilled water.

    The reaction takes a minute or two, but as soon as you hang to up to dry the color comes right in:



    If you want some red coloring to come out, hit it with a hairdryer as it drys.

    Here's the secondary fuel bowl drying:



    Take a look at the first picture of the previous post. That's the way they look after a few hours.

    Well, on to the main body tomorrow. It just came out too dark last week, and the lessons I learned today will be used on the main body tomorrow.

    Just Having Fun,
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    Jerry Fuccillo
    1967 327/300 Convertible since 1968

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    • Timothy B.
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      • April 30, 1983
      • 5186

      #3
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      • Gerard F.
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        • June 30, 2004
        • 3805

        #4
        Re: Holley Carb Restoration-Part 8- Fuel Bowl Coloring

        Tim,

        Looks like somebody sat on the box

        The alligatoring looks more like a freeze-thaw cracking though.

        Thanks for the pinout specs all in one place, I'll check them this afternoon.

        I received the valve guide bushings for the throttle plate bushings yesterday. Will probably be getting to the throttle plate next weekend, thanks.
        Jerry Fuccillo
        1967 327/300 Convertible since 1968

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        • Clem Z.
          Expired
          • January 1, 2006
          • 9427

          #5
          Re: Holley Carb Restoration-Part 8- Fuel Bowl Coloring

          i think the bead blasting causes a difference in the finish look and i would try soda blasting to see what happens

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          • Gerard F.
            Extremely Frequent Poster
            • June 30, 2004
            • 3805

            #6
            Re: Holley Carb Restoration-Part 8- Fuel Bowl Coloring

            Tim,

            Got a chance this afternoon after coloring the main body to check the specs above to my project carb, 3810 763. Used a numbered drill set but also used a micrometer to check the drill sizes.

            Similar but different specs although I may have some confusion over the abbreviations. Here is what I found.

            Main Body Air Bleeds: (in air horn)

            Primary High Speed (Inner) .028" #70 bit
            Primary Idle (Outer) .070" #50 bit
            Sec High Speed (Inner) D/S .0225" #74 bit P/S 0" undrilled*
            Sec Idle (Outer) .031" #68 bit
            * this is the second time I found undrilled air bleeds on a 3810, checked it with compressed air to be sure ,

            Secondary Metering Plate:

            This one had a #19 metering plate with top Idle feed holes of .028, and bottom main jet holes of .070,

            Correct is a #22 metering plate with .028 top/.076 bottom. I have a new NOS #22 to replace the #19.

            Primary Metering Block (4743):

            Main Well Air Bleed (top hole) .028" #70 bit*
            Idle Circuit holes (bottom) .031" #68 bit*
            PVCR .039 #61 bit*
            Main Jets were #66, will use #65
            PV Unknown existing, will use a 6.5

            * checked these also against another 4743 and a replacement 4608, they were all the same.

            I think there is some differences inthe air bleeds and I'm not sure about that undrilled one. On my last one (751) a few years ago, Clem recommended that I drill them out, and I did to the hole size of the drilled one. Funny that the undrilled one is for the secondary high speed one.
            Jerry Fuccillo
            1967 327/300 Convertible since 1968

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            • Clem Z.
              Expired
              • January 1, 2006
              • 9427

              #7
              Re: Holley Carb Restoration-Part 8- Fuel Bowl Coloring

              Originally posted by Gerard Fuccillo (42179)
              Tim,

              Got a chance this afternoon after coloring the main body to check the specs above to my project carb, 3810 763. Used a numbered drill set but also used a micrometer to check the drill sizes.

              Similar but different specs although I may have some confusion over the abbreviations. Here is what I found.

              Main Body Air Bleeds: (in air horn)

              Primary High Speed (Inner) .028" #70 bit
              Primary Idle (Outer) .070" #50 bit
              Sec High Speed (Inner) D/S .0225" #74 bit P/S 0" undrilled*
              Sec Idle (Outer) .031" #68 bit
              * this is the second time I found undrilled air bleeds on a 3810, checked it with compressed air to be sure ,

              Secondary Metering Plate:

              This one had a #19 metering plate with top Idle feed holes of .028, and bottom main jet holes of .070,

              Correct is a #22 metering plate with .028 top/.076 bottom. I have a new NOS #22 to replace the #19.

              Primary Metering Block (4743):

              Main Well Air Bleed (top hole) .028" #70 bit*
              Idle Circuit holes (bottom) .031" #68 bit*
              PVCR .039 #61 bit*
              Main Jets were #66, will use #65
              PV Unknown existing, will use a 6.5

              * checked these also against another 4743 and a replacement 4608, they were all the same.

              I think there is some differences inthe air bleeds and I'm not sure about that undrilled one. On my last one (751) a few years ago, Clem recommended that I drill them out, and I did to the hole size of the drilled one. Funny that the undrilled one is for the secondary high speed one.
              those air bleeds are also siphon breaks and if you plug one when you shut off the engine the fuel will keep flowing from the float bowls

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              • Gerard F.
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                • June 30, 2004
                • 3805

                #8
                Re: Holley Carb Restoration-Part 8- Fuel Bowl Coloring

                Originally posted by Clem Zahrobsky (45134)
                those air bleeds are also siphon breaks and if you plug one when you shut off the engine the fuel will keep flowing from the float bowls
                Thanks Clem. You have always given me good advice. Maybe see you in Kissimmee?
                Jerry Fuccillo
                1967 327/300 Convertible since 1968

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                • Timothy B.
                  Extremely Frequent Poster
                  • April 30, 1983
                  • 5186

                  #9
                  Re: Holley Carb Restoration-Part 8- Fuel Bowl Coloring

                  Jerry,

                  Those air bleeds are there as clem say's and also control the timing of the fuel flow and A/F ratio in that circuit. Just goes to show how these things were made, it's interesting that those two close dated carburetors have the same issue.

                  My two early dated 3810's have all the bleeds open FWIW and I will email you with the exact sizes I measure.

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                  • Clem Z.
                    Expired
                    • January 1, 2006
                    • 9427

                    #10
                    Re: Holley Carb Restoration-Part 8- Fuel Bowl Coloring

                    Originally posted by Gerard Fuccillo (42179)
                    Thanks Clem. You have always given me good advice. Maybe see you in Kissimmee?
                    i will be in Fla. for the PRI show the second week of Dec. and will not be back to Fla. till the first of Feb for the NASCAR races

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