67 window cranks

[Neal K.]

Re: 67 window cranks

While the 67 Chevrolet passenger cars and other GM passenger cars used the same configuration vent window handle and door window handle cranks, the Chevrolet P&A Catalog lists only the cranks with the black knob were used on both the Pass cars and the Corvette. While some of the other colors might be similar, the Pass cars used different color knobs than the Corvette, e.g., dark red vs red, dark gold vs medium saddle, dark blue vs blue, and the cranks had different GM part numbers. Pete

Pete,
I just bought a set of window cranks on ebay for my 67 with saddle interior. The Seller advertised them as being almost NOS and for a 67 corvette, camaro and chevelle. When I received them I compared them to my originals and the knob color looks to be lighter than my originals which are a darker shade of saddle. Also, the rivets holding the knobs to the handles on the the ones I purchased look different from my originals. Do you know if the saddle color for the 67 corvette, camaro and chevelle window crank knobs were all the same? Did 66 corvette window crank handles have the same part numbers as 67? what did the saddle color on the 66 window crank knobs look like? I have asked the seller to take the cranks back but he has refused my request and in his reply stated that there was a wide variation in the 67 saddle color. I know that there is some color variation between different interior parts but would have thought all of the saddle window crank knobs would have the same color shade.
Any help you, or anyone else, can give me to reach a proper conclusion would be appreciated. I want to be reasonable with the seller and make sure that I am correct before proceeding further.
Thanks
Neal

[Joe L.]

Re: 67 window cranks

Pete,
I just bought a set of window cranks on ebay for my 67 with saddle interior. The Seller advertised them as being almost NOS and for a 67 corvette, camaro and chevelle. When I received them I compared them to my originals and the knob color looks to be lighter than my originals which are a darker shade of saddle. Also, the rivets holding the knobs to the handles on the the ones I purchased look different from my originals. Do you know if the saddle color for the 67 corvette, camaro and chevelle window crank knobs were all the same? Did 66 corvette window crank handles have the same part numbers as 67? what did the saddle color on the 66 window crank knobs look like? I have asked the seller to take the cranks back but he has refused my request and in his reply stated that there was a wide variation in the 67 saddle color. I know that there is some color variation between different interior parts but would have thought all of the saddle window crank knobs would have the same color shade.
Any help you, or anyone else, can give me to reach a proper conclusion would be appreciated. I want to be reasonable with the seller and make sure that I am correct before proceeding further.
Thanks
Neal

Neal-----


Post photos especially of the rivets.

[William L.]

Re: 67 window cranks

Neal I went out in to the barn and dugout some old window and vent cranks. Of all of them I looked at they all had the same part # cast in to them. It did not make any difference if it was a 65-66 or what color 67. Window crank has part# 5719477 vent part# 5719481. So what I would conclude from this is that the # cast into the handle is for the casting. So the part # Joe is listing is for the complete crank in it's knob color.
It is my experience that the color on original knob's fade so that will account for some of the difference in one crank to another.
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[Peter L.]

Re: 67 window cranks

Neal - Here's the Chevrolet Parts & Accessories Catalog information from Group NUmber 10.797 for the various 1967 Chev vehicles that used variations of a "tan" colored know on the Door Window Regulator Handle.

#9811504 (med. saddle) - CORVETTE

#7689673 (gold) - CHEVROLET (Impala, Caprice), CHEVELLE (Malibu, Concours, SS), CAMARO (Std), CORVAIR (Monza), CHEVY II (Nova SS)

#7689672 (fawn) - CHEVROLET (Biscayne, Bel Air) CHEVELLE (Std, Delux), CORVAIR (Std), CHEVY II (exc SS)

#7689657 (Gold) - CAMARO (Delux)

Also, all of the 1967 metal part of the handle (no matter what color the knob is) are embossed on the back with number "5719477" that is a casing number. BTW, so is that part of the the 1966 handle.

Bottomline is as you can see is that the 1967 med. saddle door window regulator handle (and BTW also the med. saddle vent window regulator) is a unique part & not used on other Chevrolet passenger vehicles.

Hope the information helps, & remember that without the handle being in the GM box with the part number all parts are "Corvette" parts and even having the item in the box might not be conclusive but it could help. Good luck, Pete

[Paul J.]

Re: 67 window cranks

...The Seller advertised them as being almost NOS and for a 67 corvette, camaro and chevelle....l

How can something be "almost" NOS? Is that like being almost pregnant?

[Neal K.]

Re: 67 window cranks

How can something be "almost" NOS? Is that like being almost pregnant?

Paul,
He describedthe cranks as hardly used, almost NOS.

[Neal K.]

Re: 67 window cranks

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Neal-----


Post photos especially of the rivets.

Joe,
Photos of front and back of 67 saddle vent window cranks and knobs.
My original is on the left, ebay seller's is on the right.
What do you think about color shade and originality of ebay seller's vent window crank and knob. The comparison of the door window crank knob color variation between my original knob and the ebay seller's knob was the same although the ebay seller's knob rivets on the door window crank looked more like my original but still not exactly the same.
Neal

[Joe L.]

Re: 67 window cranks

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Joe,
Photos of front and back of 67 saddle vent window cranks and knobs.
My original is on the left, ebay seller's is on the right.
What do you think about color shade and originality of ebay seller's vent window crank and knob. The comparison of the door window crank knob color variation between my original knob and the ebay seller's knob was the same although the ebay seller's knob rivets on the door window crank looked more like my original but still not exactly the same.
Neal

Neal-----


Well, it's not what I suspected it was going to be which was field-dyed repair knobs on original cranks. Also, I don't think the eBay knobs are faded Corvette originals or that the knob color varied by this much. More likely, I think these are handles from a non-Corvette application which used colored knobs. Some of these used different colors than Corvette and I think that's why the color difference. Other 1967 Chevrolet models used the colored knobs and I expect they may have been used on other GM models, too.

One other thing I will note: the only "brown" knob color handle I can find for 1967 Corvette is described as "medium saddle". To me, that conjures up a color more-or-less like the eBay handle and not like the handle you regard as original.

[Neal K.]

Re: 67 window cranks

Neal-----


Well, it's not what I suspected it was going to be which was field-dyed repair knobs on original cranks. Also, I don't think the eBay knobs are faded Corvette originals or that the knob color varied by this much. More likely, I think these are handles from a non-Corvette application which used colored knobs. Some of these used different colors than Corvette and I think that's why the color difference. Other 1967 Chevrolet models used the colored knobs and I expect they may have been used on other GM models, too.

One other thing I will note: the only "brown" knob color handle I can find for 1967 Corvette is described as "medium saddle". To me, that conjures up a color more-or-less like the eBay handle and not like the handle you regard as original.

Joe,
Thank you for your response and input.
I have owned the car since 1969 and to my knowledge the handles were original to the car and not changed out by me. The darker knobs, even though a little discolored from many years of use, are a close match to the door panels and eyebrows. The lighter color knobs look too light. Anyway, I am curious as to your thought about the difference in the knob attachment rivets.
Thanks
Neal

[Joe L.]

Re: 67 window cranks

Joe,
Thank you for your response and input.
I have owned the car since 1969 and to my knowledge the handles were original to the car and not changed out by me. The darker knobs, even though a little discolored from many years of use, are a close match to the door panels and eyebrows. The lighter color knobs look too light. Anyway, I am curious as to your thought about the difference in the knob attachment rivets.
Thanks
Neal

Neal-----


The style of rivet on your original handle is the style I would expect. However, these rivets may have varied over the years of manufacture of these handles. In any event, the style of rivet seen on the eBay handle is not the type I would expect if a field-installed replacement knob was used. I don't know of any replacement knobs that would use the type of rivet seen in this handle. But, that does not mean that such a replacement knob does not or did not exist.

[Neal K.]

Re: 67 window cranks

Does anyone have photos of 67 door/vent window cranks with medium saddle knobs that they can post?
I would like to compare then with the pictures I posted yesterday.
Thanks
Neal

[Paul J.]

Re: 67 window cranks

Paul,
He describedthe cranks as hardly used, almost NOS.

And you are misunderstanding the term "NOS". It should have been "new" NOS, or almost new NOS. There is also used NOS. There is no "OS", right? And no "new OS", right? I had hoped it was just a typo. I'm sure that you know what New Old Stock parts are, but I can explain it if you like. This came up in a thread not too long ago.

[Neal K.]

Re: 67 window cranks

And you are misunderstanding the term "NOS". It should have been "new" NOS, or almost new NOS. There is also used NOS. There is no "OS", right? And no "new OS", right? I had hoped it was just a typo. I'm sure that you know what New Old Stock parts are, but I can explain it if you like. This came up in a thread not too long ago.

Hi Paul
i would be most appreciative if you would explain NOS to me in more detail. I am sure I jumbled things up in my original post. I think the Seller meant that the cranks were not originals but were NOS ones that had bee slightly used. Does that make sense? Maybe that explains the knob color variation between my originals and his NOS ones. Thanks for your patience on this
neal

[Joe L.]

Re: 67 window cranks

Hi Paul
i would be most appreciative if you would explain NOS to me in more detail. I am sure I jumbled things up in my original post. I think the Seller meant that the cranks were not originals but were NOS ones that had bee slightly used. Does that make sense? Maybe that explains the knob color variation between my originals and his NOS ones. Thanks for your patience on this
neal

Neal-----

The term "NOS" is an abbreviation for NEW Old Stock or NEW Original Stock. Just what "Old Stock" or "Original Stock" refers to is a subject of debate. Notwithstanding the latter issue, either term includes the word "NEW". That means that whatever an "NOS" part may or may not be, it's IN ALL CASES a NEW part. When a USED part is advertised as "NOS", that's a "perversion" of the term. A part that has been previously installed is USED. It may be in superb condition, but it's still USED and not "NOS".

[Paul J.]

Re: 67 window cranks

Hi Paul
i would be most appreciative if you would explain NOS to me in more detail. I am sure I jumbled things up in my original post. I think the Seller meant that the cranks were not originals but were NOS ones that had bee slightly used. Does that make sense? Maybe that explains the knob color variation between my originals and his NOS ones. Thanks for your patience on this
neal

Neal,

Apparently I don't understand the term well enough to explain it. Here is an explanation that follows what Joe said.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_old_stock

What I do know is that service replacement parts like NOS can differ from original production parts. The differences may be slight, and due to variations commonly found in production or because of worn tooling or because of differences in manufacturing. I think you are correct that this is the difference in knob colors (although it could also be due to age, use, or storage).

Paul