Judging: Radiator hose mold release

[Dave B.]

My correct radiator hose is covered in the white waxy mold release agent. I'd like to remove it for better appearance, but will there be a deduction if I do? The TIM&JG doesn't address it, only to say that the hoses should have the GM part number in white letters. So I assume there's no issue but wanted to check with the brain trust here. I'm preparing the car for its first Judgement Day

[David H.]

Re: Judging: Radiator hose mold release

My correct radiator hose is covered in the white waxy mold release agent. I'd like to remove it for better appearance, but will there be a deduction if I do? The TIM&JG doesn't address it, only to say that the hoses should have the GM part number in white letters. So I assume there's no issue but wanted to check with the brain trust here. I'm preparing the car for its first Judgement Day

David

There is always a chance process/chemicals removing your mold release agent might also remove your part numbers.

Radiator Hoses and Clamps are judged under 1963-67 Mechanical Section 13. There a 5 Originality and 5 Condition points. Addressing BOTH hoses (Upper/Lower) you might expect judges to assign 4 Originality points to Hoses and 1 point to Clamps.

These hoses are judged under NCRS CDCIF guidelines. C-Configuration, D-Date, C-Completeness, I-Installation, and F-Finish. Each of those CDCIF elements is assigned 20%.

In your example, everything else being ok, we're talking about a FINISH issue. IF mold release SHOULD BE THERE and is removed, that would be a Finish issue. If mold release SHOULD NOT BE THERE and remains, that also would be a Finish issue.

( I don't know should or shouldn't answer - a knowledgeable 1963 judge may respond )

Let's examine consequences in either case. Finish issue would generate a 20% deduction on 4 points assigned to both hoses or 1 point deduction.

There are 4500 points in Flight judging. i.e. don't worry about 1 point.

IMO: Spend your preparation time on OPERATIONS - each line in Operations is worth 25 points. Make sure everything works. Ops can really bite you. You can lose more points in Operations with an inop cigarette lighter, than you lose showing up without a front bumper.

Dave

[James W.]

Re: Judging: Radiator hose mold release

In my past experience, my '64 did not receive a deduction in any level of flight judging for the mold release agent being removed from the radiator hoses. As a judge, I would not take a deduction for them being presented either way.

James

[Dave B.]

Re: Judging: Radiator hose mold release

IMO: Spend your preparation time on OPERATIONS - each line in Operations is worth 25 points. Make sure everything works. Ops can really bite you. You can lose more points in Operations with an inop cigarette lighter, than you lose showing up without a front bumper.

Dave

That's great advice, and I'm going to follow it. Ops and the other ext/int/mech items that have high point values. My car will be flight judged at the upcoming Texas regional, and I think I'll leave the mold release on the hoses and see what happens. Also I don't want to risk wiping off the part numbers, as you indicated.

[Dave B.]

Re: Judging: Radiator hose mold release

In my past experience, my '64 did not receive a deduction in any level of flight judging for the mold release agent being removed from the radiator hoses. As a judge, I would not take a deduction for them being presented either way.

James

Thanks James. I doubt the delivery prep back in '66 would have included wiping the wax off the hoses.

[Patrick H.]

Re: Judging: Radiator hose mold release

Thanks James. I doubt the delivery prep back in '66 would have included wiping the wax off the hoses.

Today's hoses have a LOT more mold release agent on them than the originals did. Our reproduction hoses seem to have it in spades.

I'd clean it off as best able, as I don't think it is typical of what a 196X or 197X hose looked like.

[Terry M.]

Re: Judging: Radiator hose mold release

David

There is always a chance process/chemicals removing your mold release agent might also remove your part numbers.

Radiator Hoses and Clamps are judged under 1963-67 Mechanical Section 13. There a 5 Originality and 5 Condition points. Addressing BOTH hoses (Upper/Lower) you might expect judges to assign 4 Originality points to Hoses and 1 point to Clamps.

These hoses are judged under NCRS CDCIF guidelines. C-Condition, D-Date, C-Completeness, I-Installation, and F-Finish. Each of those CDCIF elements is assigned 20%.

In your example, everything else being ok, we're talking about a FINISH issue. IF mold release SHOULD BE THERE and is removed, that would be a Finish issue. If mold release SHOULD NOT BE THERE and remains, that also would be a Finish issue.

( I don't know should or shouldn't answer - a knowledgeable 1963 judge may respond )

Let's examine consequences in either case. Finish issue would generate a 20% deduction on 4 points assigned to both hoses or 1 point deduction.

There are 4500 points in Flight judging. i.e. don't worry about 1 point.

IMO: Spend your preparation time on OPERATIONS - each line in Operations is worth 25 points. Make sure everything works. Ops can really bite you. You can lose more points in Operations with an inop cigarette lighter, than you lose showing up without a front bumper.

Dave

Well done Dave, but one minor point:
CDCIF = Configuration, Date, Completeness, Instillation, Finish.

Condition is judged as a separate item.

[David H.]

Re: Judging: Radiator hose mold release

Terry

I know that!

Fingers faster than brains! FIXED!!

thanks

Dave

[Mark E.]

Re: Judging: Radiator hose mold release

Dave has a good point about hose finish is only 1 point. So don't sweat it.
I personally like to see mold release; it looks factory fresh.

Not so much one that's Armor-All shiny. Should that be a deduction?

[David H.]

Re: Judging: Radiator hose mold release

Dave has a good point about hose finish is only 1 point. So don't sweat it.
I personally like to see mold release; it looks factory fresh.

Not so much one that's Armor-All shiny. Should that be a deduction?

Mark

Armor-All is usually a Finish deduction in C 4 5 6 judging from National team.

Good thing judges not supposed to sit in those A-A cars - you'd slide away!

Dave

[Terry M.]

Re: Judging: Radiator hose mold release

Terry

I know that!

Fingers faster than brains! FIXED!!

thanks

Dave

I knew you knew that Dave. My post was meant for the benefit of others looking on. My years of AJS leadership jumped out. If we were in class we would have a good laugh over it.

[Mark E.]

Re: Judging: Radiator hose mold release

Mark

Armor-All is usually a Finish deduction in C 4 5 6 judging from National team.

Good thing judges not supposed to sit in those A-A cars - you'd slide away!

Dave

Why not C1, 2, 3 cars?

[David H.]

Re: Judging: Radiator hose mold release

Why not C1, 2, 3 cars?

Mark

Sorry if any confusion. I expect C1 2 3 would get similar deductions during judging.

My comments related to my judging on those Regional/National teams.

At Chapter level I'd have a consistent 20% Finish deduction on any generation.

Dave

[Ronald L.]

Re: Judging: Radiator hose mold release

Guys
rubber hoses don’t have mold release

Just the facts

They are extruded

Glycol the same stuff you’ll put in them is use to put them on mandrels and form them

The bloom you have is ntfp

I have hoses from 1966, they aren’t blooming

Yes some hoses are blooming now and removing that has to be done carefully so as to not wipe out stripes and stamped part numbers

no mold release

[Dave B.]

Re: Judging: Radiator hose mold release

There are several ways to make rubber hoses. Extrusion is one. Maybe it isn't mold release that I'm asking about, but it's still a release agent and looks just like mold release. Bottom line is I don't care for the look of it.

FWIW, my 10 year old radiator and heater hoses all are covered with the stuff and they came that way when brand new.