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  • Larry M.
    Very Frequent User
    • January 1, 2002
    • 538

    Is this a 65/66 original wheel

    This wheel look right except that the rivet heads are protruding/pronounced. Is it original, service, aftermarket or what? It has KH stampings and the GM on the pad and the nubs by the valve stem. What is it?
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  • Dan A.
    Extremely Frequent Poster
    • May 31, 1974
    • 1074

    #2
    Re: Is this a 65/66 original wheel

    It looks like one. Not often but on the odd occaision I have seen riveted 65-6 wheels. Near the Kelsey Hayes logo stamp and the Rim & Tire Assoc. stamp you have hi lighted with white marker there is a size stamp,ie. 15x5 1/5 JK. Just below that is a date stamp. Please post a nice clear picture. It is not uncommon for the date to be poorly done.There are several 1966 dated wheels that only have a single 6 visible.

    In the past David Liukkonen has asked if others have owned/seen or had any information on '65-6 riveted wheels to no avail.

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    • Michael M.
      Very Frequent User
      • February 1, 1993
      • 604

      #3
      Re: Is this a 65/66 original wheel

      It could be a service replacement wheel.

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      • Dan A.
        Extremely Frequent Poster
        • May 31, 1974
        • 1074

        #4
        Re: Is this a 65/66 original wheel

        Originally posted by Michael Mytro (22211)
        It could be a service replacement wheel.
        On the face side of the rim I do not see any evidence of a date stamp on either side of the valve stem. That started some time in 1967. Of note there is glare on the right side of the stem. So it is not likely an over the counter wheel that came after '67. Assuming the service parts inventory of first design date coded wheels were exhausted. Thus the request for a photo to ad to the information pool. As I said David Liukkonen had tried to research these riveted wheels previously.

        These riveted 65-6 wheels may be service wheels. At least one is known to have been purchased over the GM parts counter. But it hasn't been established that they are solely a service part.

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        • Larry M.
          Very Frequent User
          • January 1, 2002
          • 538

          #5
          Re: Is this a 65/66 original wheel

          close up attached....no date outside...15X5 1/2JK 12 6....since this is after the model year it must be service...right?
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          • Larry M.
            Very Frequent User
            • January 1, 2002
            • 538

            #6
            Re: Is this a 65/66 original wheel

            Just for background, this was shipped to me as a 64 wheel. I'll probably just send it back. But I'm trying to help the guy out by telling him what he has so he can sell it properly. It was cheap for a 63/64 wheel. He shipped two, the other is correct.

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            • Joe L.
              Beyond Control Poster
              • February 1, 1988
              • 43221

              #7
              Re: Is this a 65/66 original wheel

              Originally posted by Larry Meyer (37196)
              Just for background, this was shipped to me as a 64 wheel. I'll probably just send it back. But I'm trying to help the guy out by telling him what he has so he can sell it properly. It was cheap for a 63/64 wheel. He shipped two, the other is correct.

              Larry------

              I'm almost positive that this is a GM #3838080 wheel. It was cataloged by GM as being applicable to 1957-64 Corvettes (although not necessarily original to all). It is a 15X 5.5" wheel and is riveted. Tube type tires are specified for use with this wheel.

              The 1965-66 wheel was GM #3869156. It is 15 X 5" and welded for tubeless tires.
              In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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              • Dan A.
                Extremely Frequent Poster
                • May 31, 1974
                • 1074

                #8
                Re: Is this a 65/66 original wheel

                I'm going to assume which usually isn't not advisable, that Joe's response has a typo. The part number is right but all 65-6 steel wheels were 5.5 inches wide not 5 inches wide.

                I had an NOS set 8080 wheels at one time. I don't recall them being riveted. Maybe they were but I would think I'd have remembered that. They definitely were a service only part that appeared in 1966 parts book. Not original in configuration to any Corvette.

                Larry, the wheel you show here is definitely not a '64 wheel.

                Your photo with date is such that I thought the year designator is a 6......but not entirely sure. If it is as it appears 12 6 I can't be sure of the year. Could be 66 or 65 as one digit is missing in action. I suspect from other known rims that the wheel is dated Dec 66.

                As you probably know '64 wheels have a hoop or rim with a different configuration and will not fit a disc brake car. The stamped size in '63-4 wheels is 15x5 1/2 K no JK. The letter is an engineering designation for the rim configuration. I have attached a photo of a 63-4 stamp.. Your wheel can serve as an example of a '65-6 K wheel.

                1963 dated 12 63.jpg

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                • Dan A.
                  Extremely Frequent Poster
                  • May 31, 1974
                  • 1074

                  #9
                  Re: Is this a 65/66 original wheel

                  Further to your date stamp photo. At first glance i thought the single digits was a 6. Then there seemed to be something at the top of the character that was distracting me to wonder if it was a 5. Which I don't think it is. Then I wondered if I could see the digit 4 close to the right side of the 6. All this with enlarging the picture. Bottom line is the photo as presented makes it hard to come to a definitive conclusion.

                  I say to anyone that will listen any photo of a number, casting number and particularly stamped numbers are most useful when taken square/parallel to the subject and the more pixels the better.

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                  • Larry M.
                    Very Frequent User
                    • January 1, 2002
                    • 538

                    #10
                    Re: Is this a 65/66 original wheel

                    Joe, I think you are right. The only caveat is a prior post here:

                    https://www.forums.ncrs.org/showthre...ght=1965+wheel

                    It has a line drawing from Dave Liukkonen which shows an extrat step in 8080 part number and he's pretty detailed. This rim does not have that per the pic I posted. It is just like the 9156 which Dave also drew.

                    The guy says he's sending money and wants me to sell the wheel for him.

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                    • Larry M.
                      Very Frequent User
                      • January 1, 2002
                      • 538

                      #11
                      Re: Is this a 65/66 original wheel

                      Dan, as my note with the pic said it is a 6 and 6 alone. To your point it could be missing any second digit to the year. I think Joe's comment that a fiveted wheel would be for a tube type tire.

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                      • Dan A.
                        Extremely Frequent Poster
                        • May 31, 1974
                        • 1074

                        #12
                        Re: Is this a 65/66 original wheel

                        How many vehicles in the time frame this wheel was made in had 15 inch wheels with bead locks configured to accommodate disc brakes but used tubes?

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                        • Jimmy G.
                          Very Frequent User
                          • November 1, 1979
                          • 976

                          #13
                          Re: Is this a 65/66 original wheel

                          Not an 8080 wheel as they have provisions for RPO hubcaps Looks like 12 - 5 date so SR wheel from a long time ago ??
                          Founder - Carolinas Chapter NCRS

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                          • Joe L.
                            Beyond Control Poster
                            • February 1, 1988
                            • 43221

                            #14
                            Re: Is this a 65/66 original wheel

                            Originally posted by Dan Adie (60)
                            I'm going to assume which usually isn't not advisable, that Joe's response has a typo. The part number is right but all 65-6 steel wheels were 5.5 inches wide not 5 inches wide.

                            I had an NOS set 8080 wheels at one time. I don't recall them being riveted. Maybe they were but I would think I'd have remembered that. They definitely were a service only part that appeared in 1966 parts book. Not original in configuration to any Corvette.

                            Larry, the wheel you show here is definitely not a '64 wheel.

                            Your photo with date is such that I thought the year designator is a 6......but not entirely sure. If it is as it appears 12 6 I can't be sure of the year. Could be 66 or 65 as one digit is missing in action. I suspect from other known rims that the wheel is dated Dec 66.

                            As you probably know '64 wheels have a hoop or rim with a different configuration and will not fit a disc brake car. The stamped size in '63-4 wheels is 15x5 1/2 K no JK. The letter is an engineering designation for the rim configuration. I have attached a photo of a 63-4 stamp.. Your wheel can serve as an example of a '65-6 K wheel.

                            [ATTACH=CONFIG]99333[/ATTACH]

                            Dan------


                            Actually, it was not a typo but it's not correct anyway. The initial GM reference I used specified the wheel was 5". I should have questioned it but I did not. I checked a second GM reference as well as other references and the GM #3869156 is 5-1/2" wide. So, the 5" reference was a GM error.

                            I do find it extremely strange that wheels of the same part number could be manufactured in both welded and riveted versions whether they were SERVICE wheels, or not..
                            In Appreciation of John Hinckley

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                            • Ray K.
                              Very Frequent User
                              • July 31, 1985
                              • 372

                              #15
                              Re: Is this a 65/66 original wheel

                              My original 1965 wheel #3869156 does not have any rivets. Stamped 3 - 65.

                              Ray

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